a second HST session in september

[didi]

People bashing Gho and hailing Nigams, like Didi, are just plain crazy. Nigams has posted 0 reliable evidence. However it's at least very interesting that he's documenting Tom's case, trying to partner up with a European doctor to offer doubling in Europe and Cole visiting him should be quite interesting too.

But I guess my point is: worst case scenario, Didi is right and regrowth doesn't happen at all. Impossible ? Nah, I don't think so. Take a look at gc's case. 65% regrowth excluding failed extractions and excluding monitoring recipient. Let's analyse this with a 1000 *hair* HST example:

1000 taken from donor, 650 growing back. But let's say failed extractions were 30%. That means they've not taken 1000 but 1300 hairs, from which 1000 were transplanted. Let's say 70% survived. So, 1300 hairs gone from donor, 650 back in donor and 700 in recipient. So 1300 hairs became 1350, which is damn close to 0% regrowth.

I'm not saying it happens like this. Not at all, personally I expect regrowth to be around 45%. But what if it's about 0% ? And Dr Nigams turned out to be a scammer ? Then you really have made a bad decision densifying area's, instead of saving donor for area's that might need it much more ...

In about 6 months we'll have much better data to make a better informed decision. I totally understand your decision, but personally I'd like to wait for GC's data.

Arashi

I remember the days when you used to be more enthusiastic about HST, now you are starting to think more like me.
Im not endorsing dr nigam but the fact he is happy to invite any dr to scrutinize his technique is encouraging and sets him apart from hasci.
we will find out whether legit or not when dr cole visits him, even if he fails or not im happy with transparency and willingness to do free tests..after all tom Frenchman and is happy so far but of course it doesn't mean he is doubling


you are right abt HST its very possible theres around 0 regeneration when you take into account partial/transected extactions,failed extractions and limited growth in recipient (which btw nobody counted so far and its mystery and somehow we assume by default its 100%)

[aim4hair]

well, taking under direct sunlight, hair looks terrible in many cases, even for some people who have good head of hair but use GEL. plus, even people with no hairloss, when they have their hair buzzed, in most cases their scalp will show under direct sunlight or spotlights.
but on the positive side, the sun is not there all day..

[Arashi]

Actually the above calculation is not correct but you get the point: failed extractions and limited recipient growth can result in an effective regrowth percentage close to about 0%. Again, I don't expect it to happen but it IS a worst case scenario which I do keep in mind.

[Arashi]

yes I understand, but you don't know about it...
And I mean, they can not claim so much and hide such a big lie, seriously...

IM is sometimes reacting like a sociopath, but he seems to be the kind of guy who would not play gamble with his donor, and he is very documented, and very confident...

Have you seen the picture before / after at Nigam site? it's a joke...

I'm not saying he will be a scam, I leave him the benefit of doubts, but how can people bash Gho and trust Nigam, where I 've seen many funny things in Nigam and only Professional things in Gho...

Is there something foggy or fishy?
They have several clinics in Europe, they are expending...
They are bashed because they don't share their technique, they protect or over protect themselves...

But I mean, even if I was depleting 50% of my donor, for which I would need numerous HST's, I still have 50% left for hair cloning, and that day, I can even rebuild what was depleted trough my bridging years...

People bashing Gho and hailing Nigams, like Didi, are just plain crazy. Nigams has posted 0 reliable evidence. However it's at least very interesting that he's documenting Tom's case, trying to partner up with a European doctor to offer doubling in Europe and Cole visiting him should be quite interesting too.

But I guess my point is: worst case scenario, Didi is right and regrowth doesn't happen at all. Impossible ? Nah, I don't think so. Take a look at gc's case. 65% regrowth excluding failed extractions and excluding monitoring recipient. Let's analyse this with a 1000 *hair* HST example:

1000 taken from donor, 650 growing back. But let's say failed extractions were 30%. That means they've not taken 1000 but 1300 hairs, from which 1000 were transplanted. Let's say 70% survived. So, 1300 hairs gone from donor, 650 back in donor and 700 in recipient. So 1300 hairs became 1350, which is damn close to 0% regrowth.

I'm not saying it happens like this. Not at all, personally I expect regrowth to be around 45%. But what if it's about 0% ? And Dr Nigams turned out to be a scammer ? Then you really have made a bad decision densifying area's, instead of saving donor for area's that might need it much more ...

In about 6 months we'll have much better data to make a better informed decision. I totally understand your decision, but personally I'd like to wait for GC's data.

[caddarik79]

seriously, GC looks great, and still he is a special case, and also kind of decided to go faster then what is advised, might be a reason for a lil more shy regen, but still, look at his donor, and Deborah told him they might go for another one or two and then talk...

I mean, after this "other one or two" he can decide to live his life and keep the 4000 donor left in the back for "hair cloning"

[caddarik79]

yes I understand, but you don't know about it...
And I mean, they can not claim so much and hide such a big lie, seriously...

IM is sometimes reacting like a sociopath, but he seems to be the kind of guy who would not play gamble with his donor, and he is very documented, and very confident...

Have you seen the picture before / after at Nigam site? it's a joke...

I'm not saying he will be a scam, I leave him the benefit of doubts, but how can people bash Gho and trust Nigam, where I 've seen many funny things in Nigam and only Professional things in Gho...

Is there something foggy or fishy?
They have several clinics in Europe, they are expending...
They are bashed because they don't share their technique, they protect or over protect themselves...

But I mean, even if I was depleting 50% of my donor, for which I would need numerous HST's, I still have 50% left for hair cloning, and that day, I can even rebuild what was depleted trough my bridging years...

[Arashi]

one HST is not enough, you start being happy, but grumpy Under a spotlight or with a sunlight pics of you!!!

Tell me about it man ... under optimal conditions (in the shades) my new hair looks quite nice but yesterday I saw a picture of me in direct sunlight (on a very sunny day) and man ... it's like the new hair (my temples) wasn't there ! Horrible ... So yeah I definitely do understand your decision. But densifying means that you'll lose donor which you might really need if the rest of your scalp starts to get bold. If regeneration is really 85%, it's not a problem at all, but if it's only 40% (or less), you might run into problems. It's hard to make the 'right' decision, but I think I'll wait a bit for more data (gc83uk's case), to make my decision on how to proceed.

[caddarik79]

I think the best move would be to densify... and be conservative.
I hope I can get 1800 like last time or even more...

I would give a good 1000 front, 800 on the crown and everything that would be higher, even 100 grafts, I will ask to put on my very hairline to lower it, even from a 1mm

But with Deborah, we said we will decide what we do on the very day, they need to see my scalp, I will be wise...

I want to have a good density in order to enjoy a good two or three years without considering any procedure...and then monitor what's new!!!

When I see GC donor after 3000, i'm confident, my second HST is to buy me some peace time for more than a year... one HST is not enough, you start being happy, but grumpy Under a spotlight or with a sunlight pics of you!!!

Then if in two or three years, they have better options or I see that the 85% is legit and demonstrated, I can still go for a third to improve HL and crown situation...

My point is really to enjoy my 30's, not waste my donor, monitor the cutting edge, put a little bunch of money aside while I'm enjoying the result of two HST and keep it the longest possible.

If I can have my 33, 34 and 35 rather OK, and then when i'm 36 reconsider the situation (we will be then in 2016-2017), it's cool...

Actually, i though that I would go maximum for three if the technique is still controversed, and if not, if 85% demonstrated, I will still be strategic, but less cautious with donor, because 85%, if you have money, is not that far from the cure, or at least, the perfect bridge until the cure comes in!

I really think that the temples, the Norwood 1 or zero, is something you can consider when we have a real unlimited method...
Now, NW2 with a good density for bridging, is OK, I can sleep with that idea.

I know lowering hairline is exciting, but maybe in five years, we will be able to do that blindly and safely... for now, Gho and others are too much controversed, but I don't agree with people claiming and so sure about less then 80-85% regen...
They showed study, they have a patent, Gho did two interviews, the telogen theory makes sense, the example of patients are there...Saunders shaving to the bones after three procédures, GC resurrecting and with pristine donor (he might have lost 600 grafts in the journey), Joling---->> give him two 1500 grafts procédures more and he is OK;

+HSI+ Hair multiplication research

[Arashi]

How many grafts are you planning to have Caddarik ? And where are you going to have them placed ?

[aim4hair]

I think i'll wait for my next HST till next year. i wanted to have another one, but the thing is, i still wanna use my donor and money wisely, and i can't go for an HST every year, not just because of budget issues but also because i have limited time i can get off from work, and i don't wanna spend every year just going through procedures while i could have traveled and enjoyed my time.

I am pretty satisfied with my first HST, i keep my hair buzzed and i look way better than before since my hairline is intact, of course i would like to add more density, but im not sure where my hairloss is going, and i don't wanna thicken the front and then lose the rest of my hair, which will look way unnatural, that's why i will wait for next year, assess my hairloss situation and hopefully go for a big session to cover any new bald areas and improve density.

[caddarik79]

will have mine on the 3 september if nothing bad happens in between :-)

[Arashi]

I don't mind being the guinea pig lol.

Make sure your about on here about 1 week before my HST because I'll be uploading a set of photos and they're going to need vetting so to speak to make sure they are usable, basically I'll need a 2nd opinion to make sure I haven't missed anything.

Of course mate ! Highly appreciating the effort you're putting into this, to help us baldies out

[gc83uk]

Awesome !! That would mean we'll have a good indication regarding donor regrowth quite soon after that. I mean currently the 2 unknown factors are the failed extraction and recipient regrowth. So maybe I'll wait till the end of year then: we'll know about Tom's case and we'll know about your regrowth (excluding recipient of course), which might be enough for me to schedule my new appointment. I have quite a good shot of my recipient immediately after surgery, so I'm planning to compare that to my 'final' situation, which should give me at least a good indication regarding recipient growth. So combining all that info I think it should be enough to make a good decision on how to proceed by the end of this year.

I don't mind being the guinea pig lol.

Make sure your about on here about 1 week before my HST because I'll be uploading a set of photos and they're going to need vetting so to speak to make sure they are usable, basically I'll need a 2nd opinion to make sure I haven't missed anything.

[Arashi]

Yes mate, it's booked for the 10/11th September or something like that. Ironically exactly 2 years from my first HST.

Awesome !! That would mean we'll have a good indication regarding donor regrowth quite soon after that. I mean currently the 2 unknown factors are the failed extractions and recipient regrowth. So maybe I'll wait till the end of year then: we'll know about Tom's case and we'll know about your regrowth (excluding recipient of course), which might be enough for me to schedule my new appointment. I have quite a good shot of my recipient immediately after surgery, so I'm planning to compare that to my 'final' situation, which should give me at least a good indication regarding recipient growth. So combining all that info I think it should be enough to make a good decision on how to proceed by the end of this year.

[caddarik79]

I don't think we'll need years to doubt Nigams and Mousseigne. We'll know within 6 months if Tom's case was a success. If not, Dr Nigams will probably say "yeah but I have a new method which works a lot better", but personally I will have lost all confidence in Dr Nigam's if Tom's case fails. And if Dr Nigams fails, then what do we have left ? Histogen ? I don't think so. Replicel ? Nah. Aderans ? Highly doubt it. Follica ? Not even started official trials. So basically if Dr Nigam's fails and donor regrowht for gc83uk turns out to be quite bad, then you know you'll have to be extremely conservative with your donor. So in my opinion it's best to wait 9-12 months before making a decision.

Tom's case will not be easy to check, he is not shaving at all...
I have the impression it will be another year with speculative things...

You're right about the conservative approach, I will for sure use my grafts to guarantee a nice density on top and I keep my expectations of a full hair line temples recovered for when we have real unlimited proved thing!!!