Gaz (Gc83uk) can you give us an update.

[534623]

...it's a bit weird...also when you remember Gho saying that they have a patient with 9 procedures and only a slig***y depleted donor for 13.000 grafts received.

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I mean, you know the subject, even better then me.
And you also know that some kings of FUE like Lorenzo I gave in example, did 11.000 grafts on some patients.

Nothing is "weird" here, because what do you know about such patient's donor area quality, number of "available grafts", hair characteristics etc??

For example - my own donor situation, 3 days after just 1400 HST extractions:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/Upper-Strip-Area-Day-3.jpg

Okay, and now try to imagine (just TRY to imagine!!) around 10,000 to 13,000 normal FUE extractions in my personal donor area - I wouldn't have something like a "donor area" anymore thereafter!! My "donor area" would just consist of slick bald scar tissue thereafter!

[caddarik79]

Earnestly - what the hell did you expect from 1800 HST grafts??


It appears that you still had pre-existing hairs in the treatment area(s), which, perhaps, disappeared (at least partly) also in the meanwhile due to AGA and because of that, of course, in such a case, the result will practically look like the same in these areas than before. But without the treatment - the situation would be much worser now than before.

And as you you yourself noticed (everybody can see this in the pics), your HL is lower now, what indicates, that not just the HL grew, also practically everything IS there what they implanted.

Your situation is very similar than my situation in the front area, and I myself think a lot about the next step with HST:

1) Improvement (more density) in the front area OR...

2) leaving the front area "as is" with the 1st HST treatment, and move on with the 2nd treatment behind the front area (mid-scalp etc) ...

... that means those areas, which YOU will start to lose also in the coming years...

I know IM, but I let them grow, I don't know about you, so they are 3 or 4 cm...and seriously, it's see trough under daylight or spotlight.
I was not slick bald, I was thinning but still had a certain amount of hair even in front...I really expected a better result especially that it was really all implanted in the front...I mean, in terms of coverage, and compared to some online FUE results with same amount of grafts, it's a bit deceiving.

and 10K's for being a bit deceived is not best...when shaved, it looks more dense, but people don't do HT to shave their head, you do that to enjoy your hair.

And about the second procedure, I was totally in, but there are so many doubts now, and with this new 3 HST max advised, you can not deny that for a 80-85% regeneration rate revolutionnary procedure, it's a bit weird...also when you remember Gho saying that they have a patient with 9 procedures and only a slig***y depleted donor for 13.000 grafts received.

Why do they retract or first of all why does it seem that they have the same limitation as FUE for the maximum grafts you will be able to have on your top in the end...

I mean, you know the subject, even better then me.
And you also know that some kings of FUE like Lorenzo I gave in example, did 11.000 grafts on some patients.

Considering that with HST you can at least use twice your donor, AT LEAST and idealisticaly, they should be able to re-use it more then once or twice... in my mind, it means that they should be able to transplant your entire donor, at least twice, on top... but then, there is always this easy answer, saying that in THEORY, it's possible...

It's simple, I'm not bashing, but I kind of start to understand the lack of enthusiasm of some people here (am not talking about the automatic criticism)... FUE by Cole or Lorenzo brought some patient to acceptable results... means that HST should be able to promise great result, just because of the aim and the specificity of their technique...


And for your choice about the second, I would get my front fuller and maybe a bit in mid.... like, 1000 more front + 600 in mid... then maybe you can start to comb backwards...and cover vertex until HST 3 and 4...

[534623]

to be honest, i'm at 9 months right now, had 1800 grafts, and i'm a bit disappointed...it did not change dramaticaly, it's not very dense, only HL is lower, but this was from day 1 post op...
My hair from 6 months post op to 9 did not evolve a lot...in some mirrors it looks alright, but in day light or under a spotlight, it's not very convincing, especially when you pay 9400 euros for that.

Earnestly - what the hell did you expect from 1800 HST grafts??


It appears that you still had pre-existing hairs in the treatment area(s), which, perhaps, disappeared (at least partly) also in the meanwhile due to AGA and because of that, of course, in such a case, the result will practically look like the same in these areas than before. But without the treatment - the situation would be much worser now than before.

And as you you yourself noticed (everybody can see this in the pics), your HL is lower now, what indicates, that not just the HL grew, also practically everything IS there what they implanted.

Your situation is very similar than my situation in the front area, and I myself think a lot about the next step with HST:

1) Improvement (more density) in the front area OR...

2) leaving the front area "as is" with the 1st HST treatment, and move on with the 2nd treatment behind the front area (mid-scalp etc) ...

... that means those areas, which YOU will start to lose also in the coming years...

[caddarik79]

For sure. That's why I was hoping HASCI would clarify their (general) suggestion of max 3 HST's a bit. And what to expect for example after 6 HST's ? If after 6 HST's there are only subtle signs of thinning in donor, then I'll go ahead and have my 2nd HST this year, probably around september. But if after 6 HST's your donor looks pretty much how any donor looks like after 2 FUE's (quite noticeably thinner), then I'm going to be conservative and wait a while.



True that, mate I just shot another picture and feeling a lot better cause I see tons of new hairs that weren't visible with the naked eye. I guess 6 1/2 month (where I'm at now) is just way too early do draw any conclusions. I hope (and think) I'll be thrilled with the result in a few months. Will update with a picture soon.

to be honest, i'm at 9 months right now, had 1800 grafts, and i'm a bit disappointed...it did not change dramaticaly, it's not very dense, only HL is lower, but this was from day 1 post op...
My hair from 6 months post op to 9 did not evolve a lot...in some mirrors it looks alright, but in day light or under a spotlight, it's not very convincing, especially when you pay 9400 euros for that.

So, I'm really hesitating with going for another or just wait that things improves, because even if I can afford, I don't like to have the feeling i'm throwing money trough the window...hope 12 months will change my mind but I doubt.

And the fact that they are still not showing real transformations, kind ok sucked my trust in it...

[cocacola]

You know i think if after 6 hst there will be a visible difference. But only for a trained eye. Gc and saunders are at their 3rd procedure and their do or looks the same to the naked eye. I think a couple more and it will start to appear, but only to a trained hair obsessed eye.

Also, some non mpb shaved people have lower hair density and nobody, them included dont even pay attention to that.

Even more, the fact that u will lose some donor density without big white gaps will actually make ur hair more unifor in density.

However, its really sad that other than Im and jjrrs analysis of gc donor we have no other evidence that hst is legit and works. On the other hand, i dont think hasci is a scam what. It would be hard to argue that there is no regeneration with the donor analysis of gcuk.

At the same time, i also believe hasci is just bad with marketing. Considering the amount of time it took for them to put decent pictures on the web when there were already much better stuff circulating on the web of their own work.

They underestimatte the online community of hairloss. Its full of paranoid freaks that want irrefutable evidence because of the nature of the industry. Instead hasci leans towards branding through celebreties aiming mostly at the the average dutch joe that is clueless about hairloss.

[Arashi]

arash

I rmbr you said you don't take propecia, mpb is progressive disease as you know, you will keep losing hair on top till you reach your destined level of baldness.
what am saying is that you got to be careful with adding too many graft up front and then run out of donor when lose more hair behind hairline.
with HST its not just money but donor is still an issue.

For sure. That's why I was hoping HASCI would clarify their (general) suggestion of max 3 HST's a bit. And what to expect for example after 6 HST's ? If after 6 HST's there are only subtle signs of thinning in donor, then I'll go ahead and have my 2nd HST this year, probably around september. But if after 6 HST's your donor looks pretty much how any donor looks like after 2 FUE's (quite noticeably thinner), then I'm going to be conservative and wait a while.

Arashi there is also something cslled hair greed lol u will always want more

True that, mate I just shot another picture and feeling a lot better cause I see tons of new hairs that weren't visible with the naked eye. I guess 6 1/2 month (where I'm at now) is just way too early do draw any conclusions. I hope (and think) I'll be thrilled with the result in a few months. Will update with a picture soon.

[cocacola]

Arashi there is also something cslled hair greed lol u will always want more

[didi]

Looking forward to the pictures !! I'll also update mine within 2 weeks, I'll be at my 7 months by then. I'm happy with the result on the one hand (I mean it looks MUCH better than before my HST) but I'd be also still disappointed if this where my end result. I know that on average as of 7 months you should still expect 30% increase in density over the next months, if that were to happen (and of course it SHOULD happen and most probably will) then I think density will be good enough. But when I look in the mirror now, I keep thinking I need more density. But then again, it's probably the drawback of only 1600 grafts in general. If you want GOOD density, you should have at least 50 grafts/cm2 and hence can only do about 30 cm2, which is a 6x5 cm area which is pretty much nothing. Hence, I'm also thinking about getting another HST. But I'm also watching the dr Nigams cases with full interest ... And the thing that put me off a bit is that HASCI advices to do max 3 HST's. I'm still inquiring about that but haven't gotten any good answers yet ...

arash

I rmbr you said you don't take propecia, mpb is progressive disease as you know, you will keep losing hair on top till you reach your destined level of baldness.
what am saying is that you got to be careful with adding too many graft up front and then run out of donor when lose more hair behind hairline.
with HST its not just money but donor is still an issue.

I also hope dr nigam doubling really works and can give you 5 000 grafts in one pass,
true HM could be years away, even dr nigam cooled down and is focusing on HM

[Arashi]

I feel my result is looking good, one issue is I've been too worried to shave my donor to a zero again as I felt I could see scarring, I guess I should really do that soon to double check.

Aesthetically the recipient is looking pretty good, but the transplanted hairs seem to stick up more than the native hairs... Does this change through time?

I had 1400 in December 2012 so will get another 1400 in December of this year and all going well every subsequent December until I'm cured!!

Ps I'll put up pics of my recipient next week when I'm back home and have access to a decent camera.

Looking forward to the pictures !! I'll also update mine within 2 weeks, I'll be at my 7 months by then. I'm happy with the result on the one hand (I mean it looks MUCH better than before my HST) but I'd be also still disappointed if this where my end result. I know that on average as of 7 months you should still expect 30% increase in density over the next months, if that were to happen (and of course it SHOULD happen and most probably will) then I think density will be good enough. But when I look in the mirror now, I keep thinking I need more density. But then again, it's probably the drawback of only 1600 grafts in general. If you want GOOD density, you should have at least 50 grafts/cm2 and hence can only do about 30 cm2, which is a 6x5 cm area which is pretty much nothing. Hence, I'm also thinking about getting another HST. But I'm also watching the dr Nigams cases with full interest ... And the thing that put me off a bit is that HASCI advices to do max 3 HST's. I'm still inquiring about that but haven't gotten any good answers yet ...

[c5000]

I feel my result is looking good, one issue is I've been too worried to shave my donor to a zero again as I felt I could see scarring, I guess I should really do that soon to double check.

Aesthetically the recipient is looking pretty good, but the transplanted hairs seem to stick up more than the native hairs... Does this change through time?

I had 1400 in December 2012 so will get another 1400 in December of this year and all going well every subsequent December until I'm cured!!

Ps I'll put up pics of my recipient next week when I'm back home and have access to a decent camera.

[gc83uk]

That's brilliant news mate, I was a bit worried that something might be wrong as I couldn't remember when you had last posted something on here.

Would you be able to put up some pics? Are you wearing your hair short or are you still wearing your hairpiece?

I'm going back in December and I can't wait!!

No I buzzed it all over, best thing I ever did. Usually a zero or grade 1. When I have more density I will experiment with slightly longer hair. Until then I'll keep buzzing it!

Yea I'll get a photo uploaded in the next few days.

How's everything been with your result up to now? Remind me how many did you have and how many you having in December?

[Phatalis]

Going in august... hope i get awesome results.

[c5000]

That's brilliant news mate, I was a bit worried that something might be wrong as I couldn't remember when you had last posted something on here.

Would you be able to put up some pics? Are you wearing your hair short or are you still wearing your hairpiece?

I'm going back in December and I can't wait!!

[gc83uk]

Gaz.

Just wondering how your progress is going? How is your hair looking after your 3rd procedure?

Are you going back this year?

Hi mate,

I couldn't be happier at the moment! The result so far is better than I ever thought possible considering my condition to start with.

I'll be going back for another 1600 this Sept to increase the density somewhere closer to 40-50 grafts per cm2 over the original 100cm2 slick scalp area. I'll also get them to put a few in the frontal area to help frame my face better.

I hope I can get a further 1400 next year to take me to 6000.

[c5000]

Gaz.

Just wondering how your progress is going? How is your hair looking after your 3rd procedure?

Are you going back this year?