Dr. Nigam's fraudulent claims about Dr. Gho's work

[Arashi]

Anyway, dr Nigam, it seems you've taken the grafts closely to the left ear, where your pre-op photo shows the area behind the RIGHT ear. How are we supposed to compare that ?

[Arashi]

@Baldy: je doet wel erg lang over je antwoorden. Ben je wel Nederlands ? Krijg toch sterk de indruk dat je een nepaccount voor Nigam bent ...

[Boldy]

Bendegij Nederlands ? Woar woondegij ?

haha, nood Brabant en jij?

maar serieus jongens, Ik zie het probleem niet van de OP.

Zijn haar is super nice! Ik ben er serieus jaloers op, en toch zit hij hier op t forum iemand die bezig is met pioneering werk, helemaal zwart te maken. Zeer zonde als je het mij vraagt. Ik ben zeer zeer benieuwd naar zijn Dp culture proeven. Als hij dit echt voor elkaar krijgt, dan kan je zelfs je ideale droom haarlijn krijgen. al is het een negative haarlijn.

Edit, btw als je HLH een beetje gevolgd hebt, dan had je wellicht wat meer over me geweten

[Arashi]

haha, nood Brabant en jij?

maar serieus jongens, Ik zie het probleem niet van de OP.

Zijn haar is super nice! Ik ben er serieus jaloers op, en toch zit hij hier op t forum iemand die bezig is met pioneering werk, helemaal zwart te maken. Zeer zonde als je het mij vraagt. Ik ben zeer zeer benieuwd naar zijn Dp culture proeven. Als hij dit echt voor elkaar krijgt, dan kan je zelfs je ideale droom haarlijn krijgen. al is het een negative haarlijn.

Hehe, ok, you seem to be Dutch (so not a fake account for dr Nigam). Just checking, with all past lying and cheating he's done we all just have to be extremely suspicious of this character.

[Boldy]

Hehe, ok, you seem to be Dutch (so not a fake account for dr Nigam). Just checking, with all past lying and cheating he's done we all just have to be extremely suspicious of this character.

can you point that out maybe? If you are right, I do understand your reaction .

however, I still prefer to just focus on the technique which is very exciting so far. And confirms with the studies as well (so far).

[gc83uk]

haha, nood Brabant en jij?

maar serieus jongens, Ik zie het probleem niet van de OP.

Zijn haar is super nice! Ik ben er serieus jaloers op, en toch zit hij hier op t forum iemand die bezig is met pioneering werk, helemaal zwart te maken. Zeer zonde als je het mij vraagt. Ik ben zeer zeer benieuwd naar zijn Dp culture proeven. Als hij dit echt voor elkaar krijgt, dan kan je zelfs je ideale droom haarlijn krijgen. al is het een negative haarlijn.

Edit, btw als je HLH een beetje gevolgd hebt, dan had je wellicht wat meer over me geweten

Boldy mate, the guy you are talking about here in Dutch (the op aka Iron Man). His hair is not 'super nice' and no need to be 'jealous'. I'm sure Iron Man himself won't mind me saying even he is a long way from the finished article. Your most probably getting confused with some pictures from another patient?

[534623]

First in layman terms HST and my donor doubling is similar except HST uses triple wave needle or punch0.5mm to extract the partial follicular unit(as the graft is wider than .5mm needle) most probably at the level of dermal papilla by going deep(3.5mm to 4mm) into the dermis.

Oh, really? Or is this just another completely misleading claim?
And what exactly should happen "at the level of dermal papilla"??

HST sometimes need more drills than one to extract a graft.This is not the case with us.

Really?
How many HST procedures could you see with your own eyes?

HST claims as per their patent that since the graft is bisected or broken,it leads to activation of hair stemcells due to wound healing and ecm in their preservation medium...

Really? Could you please post this part from Dr. Gho's patent?

They also claim that the extracellular matrix they add into their preservation medium along with the other buffering,nutritional factors ,is thier cococola secret formula(thats what they responde to by mail ) leads to activation of follicle stemcells and the resident stemcells of the sorrounding tissue.
None of this is true but a marketing tool to to capitalise on the popular word stemcell multiplication.

Really? Seems Dr. Gho's "cococola secret fromula" works great - I can see this every day.

I do not believe like most of the other ht docs that this is true ,stemcells do not get activated and multiplied to create new follicles just by dipping in the preservation medium for 2 hours.

hmmm, that's just due to the difference between a jerk like you and a guy like Dr. Gho - who is doing stem cell reasearch since the mid 90s.

And for wounding based cativation of stemcells there are simpler methods.

If everything is so simple - why can't a joker like you or one of the other HT doctors out there successfully perform and present the same as Dr. Gho??

Although it has been proven by jahoda that the plucked follicles can have 60% regeneration when implanted although as thin hair.

Can you please post this scientific paper by Jahoda where he tested and describes what you misleading describe?

We believe we have an advantage with our lab and softer regulations...

Having a lab and softer regulations - it doesn't mean someone is able to do something successful.

We also believe we have an advantage of growth factor and isolated dp cells...

What do you actually know about dp cells?
If you would know a lot about human dp cells - you wouldn't focus anymore on these shit cells.

Since in our technique ...

Which technique exactly? The technique from 5 month ago or the technique you find on any hair loss forums?

we do not disturb the dermal papilla with it's intact blood supply(i do not know regarding this part what hst does) ...

Yes, I know - that you don't know. But didn't you claim you know?

There is again a common misconception that HST bisects the follicle(i am not saying follicular unit) longitudnally as they show in their drawn representative pictures.

Yeah, but this "common misconception" is just based on all your misleading claims everywhere. That's the reason, you incompetent jerk.

[Boldy]

Boldy mate, the guy you are talking about here in Dutch (the op aka Iron Man). His hair is not 'super nice' and no need to be 'jealous'. I'm sure Iron Man himself won't mind me saying even he is a long way from the finished article. Your most probably getting confused with some pictures from another patient?

am I missing something here? is 534623 the same person as Ironman?

I thought I saw somewhere a topic here from 534623, with pics of his HST. his hair is wonderful on that pic.

[gc83uk]

IM's last post - I won't quote it, too long, but I have to admit that gave me a good laugh

I hope Dr Nigam responds, but round 1 has to go to I.M.

[Arashi]

can you point that out maybe? If you are right, I do understand your reaction .

however, I still prefer to just focus on the technique which is very exciting so far. And confirms with the studies as well (so far).

I've already explained it in this thread. When Dr Nigam started posting on Hairsite, he started out with photoshopped pictures. They were really horrible photoshop jobs cause what he did was just take 1 picture of a bold man's head and then just use that EXACT same picture and photoshop in some hair, haha. So since pixel for pixel these photo's were the same (except for the "new hair") it became undeniable these photo's were fake.

When Dr Nigam posted these photo's on hairsite, someone started saying they looked suspicious and fake. Dr Nigam claimed they were not and defended these photo's to be real. After more indepth analysis of these photo's was done by several forum members (who reached the conclusion of these photo's being the same, pixel for pixel, apart for the hair, lol), he couldn't deny it anymore. Then he said "Sorry guys, you are right, these photo's are fake but it wasn't me who did it, in fact it was my webdeveloper who did this, without my consent !!". Hahaha. What joke.

Anyway I don't know if the original thread is still online at Hairsite, moderators there deleted all kinds of posts but probably Ironman still has a backup photo, he seems to make photo's of pretty much every single post

[gc83uk]

am I missing something here? is 534623 the same person as Ironman?

I thought I saw somewhere a topic here from 534623, with pics of his HST. his hair is wonderful on that pic.

Yes they're the same people. I honestly don't remember Iron Man posting a wonderful pic of himself. He has posted a few of Toban, the Swedish dude.

Show me the picture your talking about?

[gc83uk]

Anyway I don't know if the original thread is still online at Hairsite, moderators there deleted all kinds of posts but probably Ironman still has a backup photo, he seems to make photo's of pretty much every single post

haha

10char

[Arashi]

Yes they're the same people. I honestly don't remember Iron Man posting a wonderful pic of himself. He has posted a few of Toban, the Swedish dude.

Show me the picture your talking about?

I think Boldy is referring to Caddarick's pictures, Ironman posted those here.

[Boldy]

hmm Okey. well I do believe you that's deff not the way to go indeed ..

Ontopic, regarding the new current hairdoubeling. lets say if both parts of the graft can sucesfully recreate a new hairfolicle, that would be nice.

I have a study in my archive that show the dermal papulla (bottom part) and the dermal sheeth part both can recreate a new hair once implanted back in vivo.

On humans and mice. so if this is done proparley, its nice. However, not what I'm currently interested at.


Im studying the dermal papilla for the past 3 months, and found several ways to expand them massively.

here are the studies and some background info about it.

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=103913

I'm not sure if this is possible in India (due to regulations) but if someone can apply this theory, than it would be great.

[534623]

On topic, regarding the new current hairdoubeling.

Sorry, but "hairdoubeling" is NOT the threads topic.

Or do you have something to add to the real topic in this thread?
I guess - no. Because this thread is all about Dr. Nigam's fraudulent claims about Dr. Gho's work.