Raising money for 50 graft HST test procedure

[JJJJrS]

Or, what if we ask our guy to shoot pictures as well himself, before and after the procedure ? Maybe that's the best way to go ?

I think that would be the best solution and the one I had in mind also.

The other key thing is how HASCI decides to preform the procedure. I'm sure they already know what it takes to properly document it but hopefully they follow the steps we've asked for:

- 50 grafts (including 1-hair, 2-hair, and 3-hair follicular units) are extracted from a small area (~2 cm^2).
- These 50 grafts are then implanted into a slick bald area, approx. 1.5 cm^2 in size

While it is not necessary to mark these two areas with a non-permanent tattoo, high quality, zoomed-in photographs of these two areas must be taken both before and after the procedure.

Like hellouser said, HASCI's response to this has been fantastic so I don't think we should push our luck at this point.

Anyway, exciting stuff all this !! Just hoping we're not digging our own graves here, in the form of a waiting list explosion, like aim4hair suggested. Still want to get my own 2nd procedure end of year

It'll be worth it. Something like this can only benefit the hair loss community. It's about time we stopped debating the procedure anyway.

[caddarik79]

By the way, I put an unpdate of my recipient in HS, almost 7 months post op

[didi]

Great news, free testing
maybe we should thank dr nigam for this hasci move as he has been pushing standards lately


it would be better if we can get moderator from dutch forum involved, he is sceptic(good thing) and he is local..he could be present on the day of procedure and make sure number of grafts and type of grafts are what we expect, take pix, etc,its always good to have more peple involved

another point Dr ghos photography sucks, he could be multiplying but photography isnt one of his strong sides, dr nigam surpassed him in that area


we need to get hasci to implant 50 grafts into 1x2 cm..25 grafts per cm2
i dont want them to spread them around as guy have existing hairs and it will be hard to evaluate.Nice 1 by 2 cm square is what is need.

[didi]

One thing I thought of, maybe it's an idea to ask the moderator of the Dutch forums (www.haarweb.nl), to witness the whole procedure ? Until now he's been a Gho sceptic. But then again, I must admit I'd feel a bit weird to ask HASCI about it ...

excellent idea,

ask him if is able to be at the clinic on the day of procedure, it will take less than 2 hours of his time , not big ask.Im sure he is interested too.
HASCI wouldnt mind, if they mind id be worried

[aim4hair]

One thing I thought of, maybe it's an idea to ask the moderator of the Dutch forums (www.haarweb.nl), to witness the whole procedure ? Until now he's been a Gho sceptic. But then again, I must admit I'd feel a bit weird to ask HASCI about it ...

excellent idea,

ask him if is able to be at the clinic on the day of procedure, it will take less than 2 hours of his time , not big ask.Im sure he is interested too.
HASCI wouldnt mind, if they mind id be worried

No, that's a bad idea..
The plan was to send that guy and ask him to document his case himself and take pics of his donor and receipient area for the whole year... Nothing changed, the guy will still dommuent his case, in addition, gho offered to have proffesional pics taking which is good for the case. So i don't see why should we ask another guy to attend to verify that they are not faking it... If the dutch guy who is going for the test is not trustworthy, then we should find another guy. No need to keep adding more and more demands.

[caddarik79]

No, that's a bad idea..
The plan was to send that guy and ask him to document his case himself and take pics of his donor and receipient area for the whole year... Nothing changed, the guy will still dommuent his case, in addition, gho offered to have proffesional pics taking which is good for the case. So i don't see why should we ask another guy to attend to verify that they are not faking it... If the dutch guy who is going for the test is not trustworthy, then we should find another guy. No need to keep adding more and more demands.

I can only agree, enough of your shitt* scepticism, they show good will, and you alwas push further!!! that's so stupid!!!

They do it for free, they will take professionnal photograph, Gho gave two interviews, official claims, didi, stop with your stupid ideas of being over demanding...
Wait another ten years and jump for something when you a really really really really really really really really really really really really really really sure and confident!!!!

What an asshole!!!! You got better than what you expected, now shut up and let's see what it shows!!!

What a pain in the ass, this didi!!!! some forum people are sick retarded people!!! sorry for all the others who are helpful, for a change!!!

[caddarik79]

@ Arashi, I think we will do things in parallel somehow!!!

You can have a look at my recipient 7 months post op on HS!!!
the future is bright and full of hair.

If Nigam can push other stuffs, I take it!!!

[Arashi]

I can only agree, enough of your shitt* scepticism, they show good will, and you alwas push further!!! that's so stupid!!!

They do it for free, they will take professionnal photograph, Gho gave two interviews, official claims, didi, stop with your stupid ideas of being over demanding...
Wait another ten years and jump for something when you a really really really really really really really really really really really really really really sure and confident!!!!

What an asshole!!!! You got better than what you expected, now shut up and let's see what it shows!!!

What a pain in the ass, this didi!!!! some forum people are sick retarded people!!! sorry for all the others who are helpful, for a change!!!

Agreed, adding more and more demands makes no sense. Someone who simply does not WANT to believe the results are true, won't believe them anyway, whatever happens.

If our guy makes his own photo's too, anybody with common sense will see everything is real.

[Arashi]

@ Arashi, I think we will do things in parallel somehow!!!

You can have a look at my recipient 7 months post op on HS!!!
the future is bright and full of hair.

Thanks for the update, looks great bro !

[bald fighter]

caddarik79 , in your opinion how many procedure u need to get a suitable coverage

[caddarik79]

Thanks for the update, looks great bro !

thanks mate ;-)

[caddarik79]

caddarik79 , in your opinion how many procedure u need to get a suitable coverage

hello bald fighter (I like your name ;-)

Ok, in the very actual situation of my hair, I would say, another HST of 1800 should bring a good result.

I'm really in the same state of mind as Arashi, I am rather enthusiastic about future improvements in the field, (look, Gho, Nigam even if weirdo, Mousseigne in France)

I'm posting Mwamba updated also to push him in the direction, they have to shake their brains and realize we don't want rubbish FUE which does not fix anything.

So here is my strategy:

HST and Gho is the very best and only treatment that convince me at the moment... problem is the limitation and the 9 months etc etc... + a NW7 can have thinning even in the donor, soooo it's kind of a never ending nightmare.


BUT, on the other hand, when I see Gerard Joling case, I am positive...the dude started the treadmill in the 90's with horrible shitty technique of that time...got butchered to keep a bit of hairline in his 30's...but look, he got 3 HST on top of it, and you see the dude improving his appearance every year.

10-15 years later here we are, 30's years old people with slow or fast hair loss, but instead of shit treatment we have a very costy HST... it's already a much better start then Joling who is 52 and looks ok now!!!

means that we are in a situation where we can only wait other breaktrough treatments to come or improve by themselves, we enter the regeneration era, which makes the limitation much less a problem... the thing is, today it's very costy and still not convenient regarding the number of grafts you can have in one session...but it's far better than any other HT, better than propecia, better then minoxidil slavery, better than everything for now...

it can only improve if you are logical, but it's already not too bad.
My idea is to be strategic and in the same time enjoy my life with hair and not let myself being bald.

I call it the Benjamin Button adventure to make it easier to accept for myself... I have the impression that we, (our generation) will be the first to really reverse their Norwood...today it's very costy and not fast enough, but life goes on, up to you to decide if you start to improve your hair situation NOW, jump in the pool and be confident in other progress to come, or stay behind your computer to put doubts on everything and be 48 when you start your thing with your youth behind your back....

As Arashi said, I have the impression that two sessions in my case will leave me in peace for a lil while (3-4 years?) and then, we will be in 2017, sounds like this forum will be full of new discussion or empty because we will be cured!!!!

[hellouser]

One thing I thought of, maybe it's an idea to ask the moderator of the Dutch forums (www.haarweb.nl), to witness the whole procedure ? Until now he's been a Gho sceptic. But then again, I must admit I'd feel a bit weird to ask HASCI about it ...

excellent idea,

ask him if is able to be at the clinic on the day of procedure, it will take less than 2 hours of his time , not big ask.Im sure he is interested too.
HASCI wouldnt mind, if they mind id be worried

Terrible idea.

This is a medical procedure, this isnt a public space for visitors to randomly waltz in and out of. I'm 100% sure there are regulations for health, safety and privacy for what goes on in the operation room.

Secondly, what difference would it make? The results are in the patient, not the visitor.

[Arashi]

Caddarick, I think your current result already looks quite good. It's a huge improvement from where you came, the guy in the upper pictures looks years older That photo you've posted is made under the most difficult circumstance: flash/full light and obviously no concealer (I don't think we'd need that stuff anyway). You're at 7 months, results will still improve a bit in the next 5 months.

Agreed that one more session should add enough density to pass the next few years and who knows what's available by 2017. And in the worst case scenario, if NOTHING new came out and not a single technique improved (I can't imagine, when you look at all current developments going on) then you can still just get another HST by then.

Future looks bright man

[Arashi]

And imagine you were born like 10 years earlier, FUE was still horrible, HST didn't even exist (at least not in its current form) and all you really could do is get yourself a disfiguring huge scar on the back of your head and thin out your donor ...