Is this possible with HST?

[hellouser]

If HASCI can give me two procedures at 2,000 grafts I'd be good for many years to come. I could afford both procedures in one year so money isnt an issue for me either.

But money is useless anyway. Id give away all of my money to enjoy my life. I don't at the moment so even if someoene gave me millions but I had to maintain the same shitty psychological circumstances, it wouldnt make a lick of a difference.

But two treatments at around $15,000 USD for a total of $30,000 won't make much of a difference in my life in the long run... but it will make a HUGE impact on the quality of my life.

The good news is that hair multiplication is on the horizon with the work Gho is doing, Aderans, Histogen and the holy grail which has already been achieved by Dr. Roland Lauster as well as other treatments topical treatments (CB and PGD2 stuff from Cotsarellis). There's a lot to look forward to... its just that we all want immediate results before we're too old to really give a shit.

[caddarik79]

looks like the competition might be about to come.

Dr Mousseigne, a fully booked FUE master from France is trying the FUEL (L for Longitudinal)

actually looks like Gho technique, he tries the regeneration in donor.
Here in this french thread, the patient explains that he was proposed by the Doctor to try different approaches on left and right.

FUE vs FUEL.

means that some doctors are thinking of catching the train...

http://www.international-hairlossforum.com/topic858-45.html?sid=53b683d142ad15a3099a5735bd99ec76

Laso seems not very official, like just a trial with this patient, maybe some others but not on the forum.

I don't have more information than this, so don't ask me more, it was just to show you that it seems to come to competition, which would be so cool for us because then I'm sure that there would be a war on who is able to go almost infinite.

[caddarik79]

Arashi, you really found the term "bridging".

This was my disappointing conclusion of last week.
Sometimes they give me the impression that even themselve don't know where you can go with HST.

But the disappointing was this bridging impression I had, like, yesterday, to me Gho was the cure, very expensive one but still.
And now, he is a tool, very expensive one, to try to bridge the 10 years gap.

AND this 10 years gap is not even something we can be sure about.... means that this f*cking hair loss might be your stress factor for a while...

[caddarik79]

the obvious thing is that we all have different sides of the story.

One said that he was told that you can do 1600+1600 and then 1500,1400,1300,1200 etc etc always removing 100 to your next session.

This would be cool if true and also somehow make sense because if hairs regenerate but with 15% loss, it makes sense to go in lower sessions with the time running, to keep the donor kind of safe.

Other people receive very conservative advices.

I was told by Deborah that the more grafts, the best and that before any move in my crown, she would rather densify my front which is the most important area she said.


I'm still waiting for an answer from them about their real limit... I told them that money is OK, I can be a yearly patient... so tell me!!!
I underlined that in their site, they are to discreet about the limitation of their technique.
That they were claiming multiplication and very preserved donor which can only be translated by "almost unlimited donor" and gives to high hopes to patients or future patients.

I'm still waiting.

It's true what you say about the "bridging" the ten years perdio, but at which price? and in the other hand we don't have much choice (I mean, those who target a full head of hairs back in the near future).

[Arashi]

arashi you mentioned that hasci doenst have good reputation on dutch forums, im sure there must be good reasons for that

Yeah, it's just a bunch of winers there, calling Gho 'fraud' and when you show them pictures or refer them to threads here, they just ignore it. I think it's what I've said before, they just don't have nearly enough money to pay for Gho so it's just something that's totally out of reach for them and hence they prefer to go to a Turkish clinic where they can have their transplant for a fraction of the costs. They will never admit they don't have the money (I don't see what's wrong with that, it just IS way too expensive for average Joe, that's not a shameful thing at all) and instead they just bitch and wine and claim he's full of sh*t.

[didi]

In my case they even suggested BHT(beard hair) to add into the mix, they would give it a try since my beard is too thick and their .6mm needles might not be able to extract it, so I guess they would target thinner ones... I was like wtf

if you guys multiplying there would be no need to resort to beard hair,

Im surprissed with arashi n caddarick, i mean you guys have very good donor and not much loss but they still too freakin conservative


arashi you mentioned that hasci doenst have good reputation on dutch forums, im sure there must be good reasons for that

[Arashi]

But then again, I personally think there will be some other form of hair multiplication within 10 years so I think it's just about bridging those 10 years and Gho is great for that, so I think I'll go against her advise and will have my temples filled up to 60 grafts/cm with a new procedure.

[Arashi]

Although, doing the calculations... Let's say the top of the head + crown of an average human being is, what, 20x15 cm ? 300 cm2 ? So to fill that up at 60grafts/cm2 you'd need 18.000 grafts.

Let's say average Joe starts with 1600 grafts for his first transplant (the max they could get from his donor), so the total number of grafts for him is 15,200. So that's indeed not enough, IF you've lost all hair on top+crown.

So the average maximum density that's reachable is about 50 grafts/cm2 (if those numbers above are correct of course, maybe the unsafe zone is even a bit bigger than 300 cm2 ?)

[Arashi]

I agree totally, at this price regenaration should be guaranteed and unlimited but still, many people could not afford it.
I am lucky on this side, but am not ready to spend yearly big money if they can not really bring someone to a 70 grafts/cm2 full head of hair.

Yeah I'm lucky as well, that money isn't really a problem. However I asked them if I can get my temples up to 60 grafts/cm2 the next time (they now did my temples plus lowered the hairline with about 1 cm). She replied that this was not advisable since people generally don't have enough grafts to do this (while my donor is quite good and I haven't lost that much hair yet, I'm end 30's). So yeah I was a bit surprised to hear that as well ...

[caddarik79]

I agree totally, at this price regenaration should be guaranteed and unlimited but still, many people could not afford it.
I am lucky on this side, but am not ready to spend yearly big money if they can not really bring someone to a 70 grafts/cm2 full head of hair.

[Arashi]

Still, you need to be a millionaire...

Yeah that's the thing. It seems though that a lot of guys on this forum have done well, financially, in their lives and can afford it. But it also explains the limited praise Gho gets on for example the Dutch forum. Average Joe just can't afford to spend like 18,000 euro for 3500 grafts, they'd rather go to a clinic in Turkey where they can have that amount of grafts for a few thousand euro's. So although Gho maybe is the best thing out there, it's just out of reach for a LOT of people.

[caddarik79]

Just because of the agenda.
I discovered HST in June, visited them in July in Maastricht, got an appointment for the end of August in Alsterdam, Deborah had this one date available, otherwise it was not before the end of November...so I jumped

+ I really like Amsterdam, tons of beautiful women there!!!!

[Vox]

I had one end of August this year, in Amsterdam.
I live in Belgium, so very close to them, very convenient, I also kind of understand dutch, although I have to practice a bit again.

Just one question: why did you choose the Amsterdam clinic? There is another one more close in Maastricht. Any particular reason for this?

[caddarik79]

when you see the price and the time it takes, you surely don't want to hear about the possibility that you donor area contains MBP hairs because then it is a nightmare, you can never set yourself free.

Unfortunately, that's a possibility for a fair amount of us.
That's why I consider Gho, the best for now, but the real safe solution would be something like Tsuji Lab!!!

[caddarik79]

When I asked them, they said that you can calculate the maximum total grafts like this: 2nd procedure as many grafts as the first, after that 100 grafts less each time. So if you start with 1600 grafts, the total will be 1600+1600+1500+1400 etc.

Of course it's just an indication and it will vary from patient to patient.

are you serious? like you can do this until you reach the 500 grafts?

It makes sense somehow because, you would need 4 big sessions to cover the entire head and then as it gets smaller in session, you can use them to densify areas.

In my case 1800+1800+1700+1600 would be the big work and 1500+1400+1300+1200+1100 etc... to densify...

Still, you need to be a millionaire...