Is this possible with HST?

[hellouser]

One of the questions i have about the gho method, is lets say i do a hst and put some hair from the back in my frontal area. After lets say 5 years a revolutionary treatment comes out that wakes up your miniaturized follicles.

Will the implanted follicles interfere with the efficiency of future treatments? In a sense when they are planted in recipient, do they damage existing ones, the dormant miniaturized ones?

I asked this same question to someone who's knowledge is far better than mine on male pattern baldness and he mentioned that as long as the dormant miniaturized follicles haven't been destroyed or removed, they will be fine.

[cocacola]

One of the questions i have about the gho method, is lets say i do a hst and put some hair from the back in my frontal area. After lets say 5 years a revolutionary treatment comes out that wakes up your miniaturized follicles.

Will the implanted follicles interfere with the efficiency of future treatments? In a sense when they are planted in recipient, do they damage existing ones, the dormant miniaturized ones?

Right now im i my early 20s, and my hairline is receding. I would never choose something like fut or fue because of the possible scars and donor depletion. I have seen many guys at the gym with scars from ht's.

However, from what i have seen from the evidence so far, is that hst is almost 100% scar less. I mean, just on this forum there are like 10+ individuals that had an hst done and no one had scarring or depleted looking like donor. GC had 3000 grafts and his donor looks very good, almost to good to be true.

So on my end, even if gho is not unlimited donor i am still strongly looking into it. Because the worst that can happen is that u waste like ~10k$, but if i can buy peace of mind for 2-3 years with 1 procedure it will be totally worth that money.

[caddarik79]

So no, I don't worry much about going bold at all ... If you're lucky to have enough money and haven't lost that much hair, you'll be fine.[/QUOTE]



Yes but at which cost, we never know how our hairloss can accelerate...
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a grumpy negative type, on the contrary, I just wished we could have the confirmation that Gho can really achieve the triple of what FUE can, to be able to talk about a revolution.

But you're right, I heard once that humanity double its knowledge every year since we have all these medias and speed networking.
A part of me also believe that it can go with giant leaps, and who knows in two years already what might pop up from nowhere?

I'm really interested in your approcah for the coming years bridging because i'm in the same situation, I am 33 with a NW3 and very slow hair loss, since I did already 1800 grafts last August, I might even ask to lower a bit my hairline and temples and densify the front... My crown might be OK for another two or three or four years... I hope that then, we will already have much better options!!!!!

[Arashi]

and what is your strategy, Arashi?

Doesn't it bother you to think you might have to wait 15 years?
How do you see the bridging?

I think I don't need to lower my hairline any more. Just would like to increase density, I think I'll do that end of this year (first need to see the results of my previous transplants, hairs are only now, after 3 1/2 month, starting to grow back). Then maybe in 1-2 years another one for the crown and top and then maybe 3-5 years later another one. And maybe a few years after that another one, all depending on the speed of hairloss, which luckily doesn't seem to be increasing. So I'll be fine.

[caddarik79]

and what is your strategy, Arashi?

Doesn't it bother you to think you might have to wait 15 years?
How do you see the bridging?

[Arashi]

Here's the link to that stem cell organ article, it's 1 1/2 year ago the succeeded at it: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...grown-lab.html Team Tokyo succeeded at growing hair on a mouse. Man really I don't see with all the current successes in that area how we would not have a cure available in 15 years ... Like, when were stem cells even discovered ? I think about 15 years ago ? And now we have people walking around with stem cell generated organs. It's all going fast. At least, relatively. In 15 years a LOT can and will be achieved.

So no, I don't worry much about going bold at all ... If you're lucky to have enough money and haven't lost that much hair, you'll be fine.

[Arashi]

I actually also suffer from tinnitus (somewhat mild case)... this is what I hear every second of my life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HIfqyHbKgY

No matter how loud my tinnitus gets, my hair loss affects me much worse.

I also suffer from (mild) tinnitus. On most days I don't even notice it (unless I pay attention), but on other days, especially when my nose is clogged (like when I have a cold), it can be quite bothersome. A nasal decongestant like afrin brings relief on those days. It would be a hard call though, if I had to choose between boldness or (mild) tinnitus

Anyway I consider myself lucky when it comes to the boldness part. Money is not a problem and I haven't lost a lot of hair yet, so I'm sure I'll be able to bridge the 10-15 years with Gho. And I'm also confident there will be a cure for boldness after that. Team Tokyo has made great progress and the general stem cell research field as well, it's all just starting and we only now have people walking around with lab stem cell generated organs, who had imagined that 5 years ago !!

[hellouser]

It's funny what you said, it's real, no money could replace this feeling of ease I had (without knowing the chance I had) when my head was full of thick dense hair... it could rain, be windy, Sandy could come and blow on my top, nothing!!!!

It's so good, you can change your look, you don't hate pictures, you don't need a hat or a beanie, you can enjoy many many different styles, swimming, running, nothing is a problem...
You can eat very spicy dishes, your scalp sweat will be covered by your big bunch of hair!!!

The full head guyz with no MBP don't measure their chances!!!

It can be a debilitating problem. For me... it definitely is. Surprising since tinnitus is known to be far worse than hair loss.

[caddarik79]

It's funny what you said, it's real, no money could replace this feeling of ease I had (without knowing the chance I had) when my head was full of thick dense hair... it could rain, be windy, Sandy could come and blow on my top, nothing!!!!

It's so good, you can change your look, you don't hate pictures, you don't need a hat or a beanie, you can enjoy many many different styles, swimming, running, nothing is a problem...
You can eat very spicy dishes, your scalp sweat will be covered by your big bunch of hair!!!

The full head guyz with no MBP don't measure their chances!!!

[hellouser]

Get rid of thinking about those stupid hair

I actually also suffer from tinnitus (somewhat mild case)... this is what I hear every second of my life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HIfqyHbKgY

No matter how loud my tinnitus gets, my hair loss affects me much worse.

[hellouser]

if you can reharvest hairs twice or maximum three times, you should achieve twice or three times what the best FUE can achieve.

Lets be generous and say you only have a modest 5,000 grafts available from donor. This should give you between 10,000-15,000 grafts if harvesting two or three times. 10,000 grafts is a lot... 15,000 is essentially complete restoration.

[caddarik79]

hellhouser, I know, I agree...

The worst NW7 has at least 8000 immortal grafts in total.
If you can multiply, you should be able to reach this amount the least and even more if the double harvesting could be 100% guaranteed, etc etc...


Gho is the only real option for refilling your Norwood at this moment, maybe the lucky with money can bridge and monitor the progress in science of hair in the meantime... but still, it's not the freedom feeling we are all begging for!!!

Get rid of thinking about those stupid hair.

[caddarik79]

yesss Didi but on the other hand you have cases like GC who will probably reach more than 5000 with two other procedures (Gho seems optimistic) while he was told a maximum of 2500 by FUE clinics.

And also this 1600+1600+1500+1400+1300+1200+1100 etc etc theory which could bring us to 15.000- 18.000 grafts lands.


I have no idea what they can achieve really.

Look Gerard Joling, had two FUT in 90's, got three HST 1500+1500+1500 and can still run other procedures if wanted.

I really don't know, maybe they are very cautious because a part is real and a part is just theoritical.. and they don't know.

Maybe the 11520 guy can do another 5 or 10 procedures, who knows?
Gho seemed to said that he had a slightly depleted donor after 9 sessions.... "slightly"... after 11520 grafts.


I really don't know, they keep a fog that is annoying for that loads of money you have to give because I totally agree Hellhouser but still, even if it will not stop me from living to give 9000 € per year for the first three or five years, I would prefer to give this amount for a real definitive and undisputed cure.

Here, I am tempted for a second but also less enthusiastic since I noticed some weird fog and weaknesses.... if you can reharvest hairs twice or maximum three times, you should achieve twice or three times what the best FUE can achieve.

[hellouser]

what they told me is my first procedure would be 1400, next one would be either 1400 or 1200...,depending how my donor regrows With option of getting 200 beard if I want more grafts, but it seems like numbers just keep getting down from your initial procedure..

in my case its 1400+1400+1200....


as caddrick said there was only one person who had 11500 hst grafts but he had better than average donor with big head, thats not impressive considering its 'hair multiplication',
meaning average Joe with average to poor donor should be lucky to get half that amount

But thats ridiculous because they dont need to keep re-harvesting regenerated donor, they should just use non-harvested the second round. Most people have about 6,000-8,000 grafts available in the donor donor area.... why would the limit it to about 1,400-1,800 and less with each further treatment? Why not 6,000 with a 20% drop-off with each following treatment but only using 1,800 out of the 6,000?

[didi]

what they told me is my first procedure would be 1400, next one would be either 1400 or 1200...,depending how my donor regrows With option of getting 200 beard if I want more grafts, but it seems like numbers just keep getting down from your initial procedure..

in my case its 1400+1400+1200....


as caddrick said there was only one person who had 11500 hst grafts but he had better than average donor with big head, thats not impressive considering its 'hair multiplication',
meaning average Joe with average to poor donor should be lucky to get half that amount