The 50 Graft Test Procedure

[JJJJrS]

I'd personally suggest to go with 100 grafts. Still very manageable and statistically much more significant.

I think it's better to keep it at 50 grafts. Once you start getting into 100 grafts procedures, the areas get larger and harder to photograph. For now, I really think we should keep the analysis as small and simple as possibly. If HASCI wants to extract a few more grafts than I would extract no more than 75 grafts maximum.

And yeah, I'll forward your list. But really, the more I think about it, the less I feel like putting in any effort to make sure anybody is there during surgery, make photo's the 2nd day etc. There's no doubt in my mind that the people at HASCI are sincere.

If they take a photo of the entire donor and recipient area immediately after the procedure, we'll be able to verify that no additional grafts were extracted or implanted. I think that should be enough, but of course it would be even better if someone was there to supervise the procedure.

What worries me the most is the photos. I haven't seen HASCI produce the quality of pictures that gc and IM have been able to do. Have you received any assurances from them on the quality of the photos? Will they bring professional photographers for example?

[Arashi]

What worries me the most is the photos. I haven't seen HASCI produce the quality of pictures that gc and IM have been able to do. Have you received any assurances from them on the quality of the photos? Will they bring professional photographers for example?

What they said they will do this time is tattoo the donor (temp tattoo) and then shoot the microscopic kind of pictures that I've posted before.

[JJJJrS]

So the chances of extracting a 3 hair graft I assume would be very low in such a small test area? The test is for regeneration % only or also recipient yield?

No, there should definitely be more than a few 3-hair grafts, even in a small test area. Last time they claim they didn't extract any 3s because the hairs were too coarse, not because there weren't any.

[JJJJrS]

What they said they will do this time is tattoo the donor (temp tattoo) and then shoot the microscopic kind of pictures that I've posted before.

Do you have a link to these pictures? Sorry, but there's been so many pictures in this thread that it's been a little hard to keep track of everything.

[Arashi]

Do you have a link to these pictures? Sorry, but there's been so many pictures in this thread that it's been a little hard to keep track of everything.

http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/12749744/img/12749744.jpg

[JJJJrS]

http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12749744.jpg

The quality is excellent but do you think they'll be able to take a picture that covers the entire 50-graft monitored donor area?

Also, in this case, I think you have to take one zoomed-out photo to prove that the area does correspond with the test patient's donor.

[Arashi]

The quality is excellent but do you think they'll be able to take a picture that covers the entire 50-graft monitored donor area?

Also, in this case, I think you have to take one zoomed-out photo to prove that the area does correspond with the test patient's donor.

No I don't think they'll be able to monitor the whole donor area in just one shot. I agree they'd need to take some pictures with a normal camera as well, but we know that that quality won't be too high ...

[Arashi]

Best thing would of course for somebody with good photographic experience, like Hellouser, to witness the whole thing and take photo's himself. But AFAIK he doesn't live in the Netherlands unfortunately.

But again, if anybody feels like witnessing the surgery and take photo's, just let me know, Kristel already told me that it would be fine to have somebody present.

[cocacola]

wow thats a quality picture! you can see everything

[JJJJrS]

No I don't think they'll be able to monitor the whole donor area in just one shot. I agree they'd need to take some pictures with a normal camera as well, but we know that that quality won't be too high ...

That's too bad. If they could capture the 50 extractions in one photo like that, the quality would be perfect for analysis.

Everything depends on the quality of the photos so it's very important that we resolve this before the procedure, or else we could repeat the scenario from before.

In my opinion, I'd even be willing to chip in and pay to get a professional photographer from Masstricht, if possible, to take some photos of the small areas.

[Arashi]

That's too bad. If they could capture the 50 extractions in one photo like that, the quality would be perfect for analysis.

Everything depends on the quality of the photos so it's very important that we resolve this before the procedure, or else we could repeat the scenario from before.

In my opinion, I'd even be willing to chip in and pay to get a professional photographer from Masstricht, if possible, to take some photos of the small areas.

Well, as long as they tattoo the area, which they're planning to, and each tattoo serves as a mark to locate the area, then it doesn't matter IMHO if several shots are needed. Or am I missing something ?

[Arashi]

Another example of what they've shot of James' donor using that microscopic camera. To me it seems this would be perfect as long as we can locate the area with tattoo's: http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12751980.jpg

[JJJJrS]

Another example of what they've shot of James' donor using that microscopic camera. To me it seems this would be perfect as long as we can locate the area with tattoo's: http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12751980.jpg

The quality of these images is great. It's completely clear exactly how many hairs are in each unit, something which isn't always obvious even with gc and IM's photos.

Well, as long as they tattoo the area, which they're planning to, and each tattoo serves as a mark to locate the area, then it doesn't matter IMHO if several shots are needed. Or am I missing something ?

When you have 4-10 different images that you're combining to get the full picture of the monitored area, it could get a little confusing with the different overlapping parts. In this case, the images are also very zoomed in and it doesn't give you a great sense of the surrounding area.

I don't know what machine they're using or how it works, but it would be great if they could zoom out just a little bit to capture more of the area.

We could work around it of course, especially if the areas are tattooed . I'm sure HASCI has a plan, but I'm a little more cautious after the way things turned out last time. This time we can't even communicate with the patient either so I really want to make sure we plan things out as well as possible.

[JJJJrS]

The test is tomorrow right? Let's hope it goes well and everything is documented properly.

It's too bad the test patient isn't a member of any forum. Arashi, is there a chance they'll share the pictures with you or the forum, or will we just have to wait until they decide to post the results on the HASCI website?

[FearTheLoss]

Is the test tomorrow? what is exactly going on for this one....