The 50 Graft Test Procedure

[hellouser]

These 50 graft tests are way too rushed.

No proper photographer and some random guy who we dont know if he will be committed to documenting the case and keeping us updated with a log.

[FearTheLoss]

These 50 graft tests are way too rushed.

No proper photographer and some random guy who we dont know if he will be committed to documenting the case and keeping us updated with a log.

I agree, I hope this isn't going to be another fail...but I think Arashi is on top if things...?

[534623]

Ok guys, I have awesome news. HASCI is going to re-do the test !!
Details to follow, but they understood why the previous test failed and will take great care to make sure we won't need a 3rd one

From what I understand, it will be going down next wednesday already !

Unfortunately not on James. They have a client living nearby who can come by daily for photoshooting. I asked if he was also active on one of these forums, haven't got a reply yet.

But if this is a guy not active on any forums, then I think we'll have to figure out a way to make the test more reliable.

Just got a mail back from Kristel. She said this guy is not on the forums and wants to stay out. She said that if necessary, somebody could witness surgery. Also a VERY valid point is that she said that she as a doctor has taken a sworn oath which they take very seriously. I'm not sure how that works in India, but in the Netherlands this is a big thing.

So, not sure how this client of theirs would feel about meeting up a few days later ... I can ask them about that.

What they said they will do this time is tattoo the donor (temp tattoo) and then shoot the microscopic kind of pictures that I've posted before.

No I don't think they'll be able to monitor the whole donor area in just one shot. I agree they'd need to take some pictures with a normal camera as well, but we know that that quality won't be too high ...

So, what's up?
Did didi send them his high quality donor area photos where we can see thousands of triplets (otherwise they will not do a further test - as far as I know)??

[hellouser]

^^What is the point of doing the 50 graft test organized by the forum WITHOUT taking part in the forum??

[534623]

^^What is the point of doing the 50 graft test organized by the forum WITHOUT taking part in the forum??

hmmm, as long as Arashi gets regularly analyzable high quality photos from Kristel (donor as well as recipient photos) - no problem at all.

But let me guess - good quality BEFORE photos will be missing - if they really did a test-procedure at all ...

[hellouser]

hmmm, as long as Arashi gets regularly analyzable high quality photos from Kristel (donor as well as recipient photos) - no problem at all.

But let me guess - good quality BEFORE photos will be missing - if they really did a test-procedure at all ...

It'll be up to Arashi to provide the pics. I hope these pull through.

[Arashi]

Sorry guys been busy travelling. I think i have good news. Will update soon hopefully later today

[JJJJrS]

Sorry guys been busy travelling. I think i have good news. Will update soon hopefully later today

Good to hear Looking forward to the update

[Arashi]

Good to hear Looking forward to the update

Ok. Surgery took place wednesday as planned. 51 grafts were taken, 23 singles, 16 doubles and 2 triplets. This time microscopic photo's were made, there was also a camera crew present who made video's AND a professional photographer was present who shot photo's too. Obviously HASCI wanted to get it right time Kristel asked me to come by on day 2 but it was difficult for me due a very busy time with travelling etc so I missed that, but they've shot photo's of day 2 as well.

Everything will be delivered to them on a DVD and once they have it I'll get the material too and post it here.

[Arashi]

Just some day 2 photo's Kristel sent me already:

http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/12798064/img/12798064.jpg

http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/12798062/img/12798062.jpg

http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/12798063/img/12798063.jpg

[534623]

Ok. Surgery took place wednesday as planned. 51 grafts were taken,

- 23 singles,
- 16 doubles and
- 2 triplets.

Could you please ask Kristel 2 extremely simple questions?

Question #1:
What the ****ing hell is the reason for 23 singles??????????????

When you look at this photo ...

http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/12798063/img/12798063.jpg

...within the test-area (where you can see the 51 extractions) - there are still plenty of 2-hair grafts (even some 3-hair grafts) left. So why did she extract 23 singles instead of the remaining 2-hair grafts? The characteristics of the hairs as well as the configuration of most of the grafts in this test candidate's donor area, isn't even "complicated"; that means looks like "typical Caucasian standard" with rather fine and straight hair and not thick curly hair or something.

Question #2:
HOW, in fact, does she extract SINGLE GRAFTS at all?????

Let me guess:
These singles look like those grafts ...

http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/12643640/img/12643640.jpg

... as you can see them in the section "1".

Because this "special extraction technique" for singles would be the only way for regeneration of both (visible) hairs in the donor area, as well as the desired growth of a single hair (eventually 2-hair graft!) in the recipient area.
In this case, the 2nd HAIR SHAFT serves just as guide for the needle (and cuts the 2nd hair-guide-shaft simply off after around 2-3 mm), to get the essential follcle parts for the single hair, but leaves also sufficient follicle tissue behind for regeneration of both hairs in the donor area.

[JJJJrS]

Just some day 2 photo's Kristel sent me already:

http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/12798064/img/12798064.jpg

http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/12798062/img/12798062.jpg

http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12798063.jpg

Nice pictures Definitely good enough for an analysis.

Hopefully they took a before picture also.

[gc83uk]

Ok. Surgery took place wednesday as planned. 51 grafts were taken, 23 singles, 16 doubles and 2 triplets. This time microscopic photo's were made, there was also a camera crew present who made video's AND a professional photographer was present who shot photo's too. Obviously HASCI wanted to get it right time Kristel asked me to come by on day 2 but it was difficult for me due a very busy time with travelling etc so I missed that, but they've shot photo's of day 2 as well.

Everything will be delivered to them on a DVD and once they have it I'll get the material too and post it here.

Excellent mate. I'm curious as to why they extract almost 50% of the grafts as singles. I clearly remember IronMan saying they don't extract singles.

Regarding Ironmans 'Guess' on his theory:
"Because this "special extraction technique" for singles would be the only way for regeneration of both (visible) hairs in the donor area, as well as the desired growth of a single hair (eventually 2-hair graft!) in the recipient area.
In this case, the 2nd HAIR SHAFT serves just as guide for the needle (and cuts the 2nd hair-guide-shaft simply off after around 2-3 mm), to get the essential follcle parts for the single hair, but leaves also sufficient follicle tissue behind for regeneration of both hairs in the donor area."

If that's the case, then there is nothing to worry about, but I highly doubt that the single hair graft in the recipient will 'eventually' become a 2 hair graft. I kind of understand iron mans reasoning on why it would/might become a 2 hair graft, but if it was to become a 2 hair graft, then why do they bother calling them singles?

I think we definitely need to put these questions to Kristel.

[Arashi]

Well, I translated Kristel's words as single, double and tripples, but maybe a better translation would be: grafts with just one, two or three 'roots'. I think the petridish would look pretty much alike the one from James bald and we'll see often times for the 'one root' grafts that it consists out of 2 hairs, where one got transected.

However please note that this is just my own speculation. We'll get the pictures hopefully soon (once HASCI gets them from their professional photographer) and then we can analyse the pre-op situation and if there are questions thereafter, I'll be happy to forward them to Kristel.

[Arashi]

Also something Kristel mailed me a few days ago but I haven't placed here yet, is that James Bald also returned several days after the procedure and it turned out that quite a few of the 'singles' actually grew as double in the recipient.

Anyway, that's what this whole test is about. Comparing the before and after photo's with the recipient. And given the fact that they have so much material now, also shot by professionals, I feel confident we'll soon know all we want to know.