The 50 Graft Test Procedure

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  • 534623
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2011
    • 1854

    #16
    Originally posted by didi

    I have been talkin about elusive 50 grafts test for a while now.
    Yes, that's true - talking. I can even confirm this!

    Originally posted by didi

    I suggested 17 sngles, 17 doubles and 17 triplets..51 all up, easy as.
    Can you please explain (besides "easy ass"), IN DETAIL...

    1) how exactly Dr. Gho extracts SINGLE hair grafts with the HST technique?

    2) how many "triplets" do YOU have within an marked 2 - 3 cm² TEST-AREA?

    Concerning point 2), we need these details for the analysis of your 50 grafts test procedure soon.

    Thanks in advance for detailed answers/explanations.

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    • 534623
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2011
      • 1854

      #17
      Originally posted by didi


      Now can you answer my old question:
      How do you explain that most of GCs hairs in recipient are 1s when his donor is full of 2s even after 3000 grfts are extracted?
      Explain to us what went wrong
      I'm pretty sure you will find my old answers in this forum again.
      I mean, it's not my intention to explain an complete idiot 100 times the same answer over and over again.

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      • didi
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2011
        • 1360

        #18
        If you have 2-hair grafts placed and only a single hair grew from each, that could mean one of three things:

        1.Close to half of what grew in each follicular unit died from the process you had done. Or…
        2.You are Asian and have typical Asian hair densities, which means that there are equal one and two-hair follicular units growing in your native hair. Or…
        3.The doctors just divided the 2-hair grafts to make singles to increase the graft count.


        Your answer was 1,

        You are saying that in GCs case 65% of HST grafts didnt fully grow? 65% of double grafts become singles?..isnt that alarming statistic?

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        • 534623
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2011
          • 1854

          #19
          Originally posted by didi

          You are saying that in GCs case 65% of HST grafts didnt fully grow? 65% of double grafts become singles?..isnt that alarming statistic?
          Exactly - that's the reason why you shouldn't buy it (I mean, what you shouldn't buy what you can't buy anyhow). Buy Umar's triples body-hair grafts - and you will definitely get what you want. Goodbye.

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          • didi
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2011
            • 1360

            #20
            Dont change the subject to 4 hair Dr Umar uGraft

            Now I got you where I want you,
            Ok, i see, what strikes me with IM is you never talked about this, you seem to avoid discussing some obvious flaws with hst even though you are fully aware of them,
            Is it possible that other part of follicle didnt die in process, but its just growing in donor

            Now I see why you trying to undermine our efforts to organize test, you just cant handle the truth

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            • 534623
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2011
              • 1854

              #21
              Originally posted by didi

              Dont change the subject ...
              Not at all: So how about your plans concerning your 50 grafts test-procedure with Dr. Gho or an HSCI doctor of your choice?

              That will always be the only question to you as from now. The only question ... and all the other useless guys here should do the same.

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              • JJJJrS
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2012
                • 638

                #22
                We've been discussing the HST procedure for years now. It's 2013 and there's still a debate going on unbelievably. And if we don't get behind something like this, I could see it dragging on for years and years.

                What's the point of all this when a simple 50-graft procedure can settle so many of the big questions. The hardest thing to do is find a patient and take some nice photos but I'm sure even Dr. Gho would be willing to help with that. All the necessary steps have been layed out. It doesn't require a medical degree and it's just a matter of implementation now.

                I sincerely hope Spencer understands why we're interested in something like this and I hope he can get behind it also.

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                • 534623
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2011
                  • 1854

                  #23
                  Originally posted by JJJJrS

                  What's the point of all this when a simple 50-graft procedure can settle so many of the big questions. The hardest thing to do is find a patient...
                  Not at all! We have found him - it's DIDI, the guy who wants this most.

                  The guy who wants it most - should get it and do it. Easy to understand for everyone, isn't it?

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                  • 534623
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2011
                    • 1854

                    #24
                    Originally posted by 534623

                    Not at all! We have found him - it's DIDI, the guy who wants this most.

                    The guy who wants it most - should get it and do it. Easy to understand for everyone, isn't it?
                    By the way - the ADVANTAGES:

                    - he is completely UNBIASED (perfect candidate!)
                    - he knows where to look
                    - how to look
                    - how to accomplish such a -as mentioned by him- easy test procedure
                    - etc

                    More details on what he expects to see (outcome etc) and how is going to do it - simply check out all his posts and all his expectations.

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                    • JJJJrS
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2012
                      • 638

                      #25
                      Originally posted by didi
                      I sent him Facebook message with the link to this thread, fingers crossed

                      JJJJr mentioned something about starting initiative in regard to Gho Test, he is the man who can make it happen, I dont know know what exactly he had in mind but lets be optimistic and hope it happens sooner rather than later.

                      We need all Gho fanboys and doubters to come together and apply preassure on Spence,
                      I'm only one person and I can't make much of a difference on my own. Other posters have to call in, email and ask. Do whatever they can. The more people that do, the more effective the message is.

                      In my opinion, something like this shouldn't be very controversial. You're just documenting and showing how well the procedure works. No commentary is even necessary. The results will speak for themselves. Unfortunately, I don't think it will be easy unless people really get behind this and ask for it.

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                      • 534623
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2011
                        • 1854

                        #26
                        Originally posted by JJJJrS

                        I'm only one person and I can't make much of a difference on my own.
                        Who says you can't?
                        Seems we have already found the second candidate. As you can see, there is already a growing number of 50 grafts test candidates.

                        Anyway, nice to see another candidate who will see soon with his OWN EYES what he analyzed with photos provided from others. I'm very excited about your and didi's test results.

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                        • JJJJrS
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2012
                          • 638

                          #27
                          Originally posted by 534623
                          Who says you can't?
                          Seems we have already found the second candidate. As you can see, there is already a growing number of 50 grafts test candidates.

                          Anyway, nice to see another candidate who will see soon with his OWN EYES what he analyzed with photos provided from others. I'm very excited about your and didi's test results.
                          It's precisely because I did the analysis myself and did not hide any results that I know exactly what the the limitations of that analysis were. So let me ask you:

                          - Do you know what the yield in the recipient area was like for gc or any other HST patient's procedure?
                          - Do you know how many of the follicular units transplanted in the recipient area had less hairs or were thinner than the original extractions?

                          Of course you don't know. So then what's the problem with finding out? According to your favourite formula, with HST, 1+1=2. How can you prove this completely if you're only looking at one side?

                          Why are so many people afraid of such a simple procedure that will answer all the key questions? Unlike some other posters, I always try to focus on facts, but we have people here who can spend years and years insulting others or discussing useless topics.

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                          • JJJJrS
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2012
                            • 638

                            #28
                            I want to see what the true multiplication rate of HST actually is. This is impossible to tell if you only look at the donor.

                            We know that the ideal multiplication rate for HST is x2. In practice, it will be lower than x2, because of follicles that do not regenerate/yield or regenerate/yield with less hairs. I want to find out what this rate is in practice.

                            In addition, I would like to see a more detailed analysis on the recipient side, including pictures. Something that will allow a direct comparison with the donor and the grafts that were extracted.

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                            • didi
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2011
                              • 1360

                              #29
                              5423456 doesnt need to test recipient, he just 'knows' it works..

                              unfortunately IM all the evidence suggests that hairs do grow with less hairs and are thinner(HASCI told me they can NOT use transplanted hairs as new donor due to hairs being thinner than original ones)...



                              JJJJrs

                              everyone seems to be scared, truly amazing



                              50 graft test is on Ghos menu so Im sure that he performed many 50 graft tests over last 8 years or so.....meaning he knows what to do, no need to reinvent the wheel

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                              • didi
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2011
                                • 1360

                                #30
                                Back of GCs head



                                Recpnt(HST1 and HST2) + just implanted HST3




                                I know IM will love these

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