The 50 Graft Test Procedure

[c5000]

It's too early to tell. But the thing is that there are lot of hairs in the petridish that obviously won't grow/can't be used in recipient. Most likely these were what I'd call 'failed extractions'. Hairs that were cut off at some point. Or 'transected hairs' if you wish. They'll grow back in donor for sure, but since they won't grow in recipient, they've most probably inflated previous results. If we combine previous knowledge with this new knowledge, then I'm predicting we'll see 40-45% regrowth instead of the 65% regrowth. Of course I'm talking about HAIR regrowth here, which is the TRUE regrowth. Graft regrowth will be higher, but nobody is really interested in grafts, we want to see how many hairs we sacrifice in donor to get new hairs in recipient.

This is what I'm thinking.

It seems like when they do a failed extraction, they don't click the clicker, which is why I heard about twice as many drills as I did clicks, sometimes more, sometimes less.

On a positive note though, we discussed this issue in my thread and I think Arashi emailed Kristel and she said that the regeneration rate was over and above the failed extractions. i.e. all the failed extractions regenerated and these weren't counted in the regeneration figures. e.g. if there were 500 failed extractions and 1000 successful extractions then the 500 failed extractions regenerate or more likely just grow longer and resurface above the skin (as they weren't actually extracted). If 800 of the 1000 successful extractions regrow, then Hasci takes the regeneration rate as 80%.

Am I right in saying Kristel or one of the other doctors said that Arashi?

Lets try and stay positive, or atleast level on this until we know the facts.

I have still booked my next procedure so I'm still happy to go ahead with it at this stage.

Also, maybe Hasci can finally clear up this failed extractions thing with the aid of the photo of the petri dish. They seem to try their best to answer questions.

[Arashi]

Arashi, I find you to be a reliable poster with a level head so please can you answer my question.

This thread seems to have gone mad since the test case yesterday. Please explain what exactly has happened, I mean even previous Gho patients such as yourself and GC seem somewhat shook up and surely it's too early to tell anything from the procedure.

It's too early to tell. But the thing is that there are lot of hairs in the petridish that obviously won't grow/can't be used in recipient. Most likely these were what I'd call 'failed extractions'. Hairs that were cut off at some point. Or 'transected hairs' if you wish. They'll grow back in donor for sure, but since they won't grow in recipient, they've most probably inflated previous results. If we combine previous knowledge with this new knowledge, then I'm predicting we'll see 40-45% regrowth instead of the 65% regrowth. Of course I'm talking about HAIR regrowth here, which is the TRUE regrowth. Graft regrowth will be higher, but nobody is really interested in grafts, we want to see how many hairs we sacrifice in donor to get new hairs in recipient.

These predictions can be off of course, so let's see how everything develops. We'll have a pretty good prediction of the final number in 3 weeks.

Why is Didi so sure that Gho is fake now?

Hehe. Ask Didi. To him 45% true HAIR regrowth means HASCI were scammers. HASCI advertised with graft regrowth, which is of course higher.

Why did HASCI change the test from 50 grafts to 200?

I think the main one to benefit was James himself, who's gotten a nice result here. But of course, to us it's a benefit as well, the higher the number, the more reliable the research (less statistical variance in outcome).

[didi]

I can see Gho fanboys have been shaken over the past 24 hours...GC isnt sure whats going on, arashi seem to be confused, IM is the last man standing...Im worried abt his mental health,

JJJrs also expressed scepticism,


Dr Wesley will come up with scarless FUE, in matter of weeks..at least he is honest man and doesnt call it stem cell or HM and will be willing to share..

Nigam is prbbly doing the same as dr gho..he shd concentrate on real HM...doubling is illusion

[UK Boy]

Arashi, I find you to be a reliable poster with a level head so please can you answer my question.

This thread seems to have gone mad since the test case yesterday. Please explain what exactly has happened, I mean even previous Gho patients such as yourself and GC seem somewhat shook up and surely it's too early to tell anything from the procedure. Why is Didi so sure that Gho is fake now? Why did HASCI change the test from 50 grafts to 200?

[Arashi]

arashi my dear friend,they wont die but theya re just split hairs....you been taken for a ride cause you blindly follow iron man...guy who is mentally ill.

Yeah we follow Iron Man blindly. That's why I asked for this test. Cause I follow Iron Man blindly. And HASCI is only splitting hairs and they're a bunch of scammers. Unlike Dr Nigams ! Now that guy is a true professor. Did you see the regrowth on his staff member ? It's truely amazing man.

[didi]

Yeah they're just a bunch of scammers man, you're right. HST is just science fiction and doesn't work at all. All hairs in recipient and donor will die. Now go book your ticket to India. Oh and do pay my regards to Dr Nigam !

arashi my dear friend,they wont die but theya re just split hairs....you been taken for a ride cause you blindly follow iron man...guy who is mentally ill.

[Arashi]

lets say james get 40% real regeneration out of 80%+ advertised and guaranteed by hasci...in such case IM, Arashi and GC can go back to hasci and either ask for money back or free grafts...

Im serious, thats what agreement say...

then again imagine everyone start going back to hasci asking for partial refund or free session.......wow...huge blow...think gho went bankrupt once before?IM shd know abt it

Please show my where they say that 80% of HAIRS will regrow, would love to see that ! Going to ask my money back ! Cause of predictions and assumptions we're making in this thread without even having seen results.

Didi, I'm sorry but I'm done with you. Your the biggest troll I've ever seen on this forums, you're not interested in facts, you just want to see HST fail. Good for you. I sincerely wish you all the best with your Nigams prodedure.

[didi]

lets say james get 40% real regeneration out of 80%+ advertised and guaranteed by hasci...in such case IM, Arashi and GC can go back to hasci and either ask for money back or free grafts...

Im serious, thats what agreement say...

then again imagine everyone start going back to hasci asking for partial refund or free session.......wow...huge blow...think gho went bankrupt once before?IM shd know abt it

[Arashi]

hasci experts extract 200 grafts? Why?...cause theya re generous folks..yea right..
even thou they have been told about objectives of this test they extracted more grafts just to make investigation more difficult...

Yeah they're just a bunch of scammers man, you're right. HST is just science fiction and doesn't work at all. All hairs in recipient and donor will die. Now go book your ticket to India. Oh and do pay my regards to Dr Nigam !

[didi]

hasci experts extract 200 grafts? Why?...cause theya re generous folks..yea right..
even thou they have been told about objectives of this test they extracted more grafts just to make investigation more difficult...

[Arashi]

lol..hst is falling apart before our eyes, who cares what i wish, my wishes cnt affect result...right

looking at this test dr gho makes people like dr nigam look like an honest man


Now arashi you seem to be happy with 40%?
expectations are dropping....I always said HST dont work as claimed...theres huge diff between 40 and 80%...and thats assuming you actually get 40%


you need to wake up and acknowledge theres something fishy

Happy ? What makes you think I'm happy with 40% ? We thought it was 65% so far. If it turns out to be 40%, then that sucks hard. Still would be far superior to FUE and yes I'd go again for another procedure, but I'd probably be reluctant to go for a 3rd, cause you're thinning out donor more rapidly than assumed so far. Still yes, I'm 'happy' in such a way that I'd still go for HST.

[didi]

lol..hst is falling apart before our eyes, who cares what i wish, my wishes cnt affect result...right

looking at this test dr gho makes people like dr nigam look like an honest man


Now arashi you seem to be happy with 40%?
expectations are dropping....I always said HST dont work as claimed...theres huge diff between 40 and 80%...and thats assuming you actually get 40%


you need to wake up and acknowledge theres something fishy

[Arashi]

What we see in petri is only 2 hair grafts, those in '1' partitions are transections, those in '2' are non-transections..


now we gone from 80% to 65% to 40%...

next will be 20....keep lowerein expectations


then fanboys will be says 'who cares abt multiplication'..'at least its scarless'..

YOU only want HST to fail. Because to you this all is just a game which you want to win. To us hairloss sufferers, this is not a game but serious business.

Now you go to Dr Nigams, have him inject his unapproved magic elixers and tell us about YOUR regrowth, ok ? Oh and tell us also in a few years if the growth factors and 'activated stem cells' went cancerous.

[Arashi]

You are too quick to jump into conclusions. There are obviously limitations in this technique. But let's first wait some months, if not a whole year, let the brave guys here do their photo work, counting and analysis, and then we will hopefully reach a consensus. That's what my logic says anyway.

True, the final number we'll only know in a year, but we'll have an estimate in a few weeks, since most of the donor will have regrown and we can have an estimate of growth in recipient if James shoots some photo's of recipient today or tomorrow

[didi]

What we see in petri is only 2 hair grafts, those in '1' partitions are transections, those in '2' are non-transections..


now we gone from 80% to 65% to 40%...

next will be 20....keep lowerein expectations


then fanboys will be says 'who cares abt multiplication'..'at least its scarless'..