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I've just hit two weeks on 2 per day Keratene capsules; So far no sexual side effects but I thought I'd post due to the fact that I've encountered a considerable level of fatigue - I've started to find it very difficult to wake up and I am falling asleep at around 9pm each night. Hopefully my body gets used to the lower dht levels.
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This product reeks of snake oil..just my honest opinion
I'll start RU before trying this treatment.Comment
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Keratene is legitimate, various doctors recommend it in place of Propecia. It's not snake oil bro, your assumptions are unfounded.Comment
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It's still early to tell, as the product is relatively new, but weren't there a few members on here who conducted blood tests while using the treatment? Weren't those blood tests revealing that DHT levels were reduced only minimally?
Guess only time will tell, like most products. Can't blame others for giving it a shot. I'll follow this thread as it progresses.
As for doctors recommending it, that's based on what? What you heard? I doubt any doctor would recommend a non FDA approved product for treatment of hairloss, let alone an experimental product such as this.
That comment makes you sound like a goon.Comment
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Not slamming people Conpecia, I read enough about this product on this thread to stop reading midway. I wasn't sold.
Independent doctors may endorse this, but playing Devil's advocate, I'd assume they have vested interest in doing so. Not to sound like Tracy, but dude, I can't see how this can maintain hair if DHT levels aren't reduced significantly. This is where sides come to play, but why Propecia is so effective in some.
Like you, I can't take Propecia due to sides. I would love for this to work, but I just don't see it bro. Hopefully it does for you, but from what I gather you are experiencing some sides correct?Comment
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StayThick, I read this results here.
"My personal results were like this: before KAR - DHT 1734pg/ml, after 8 days it dropped to 762, then after 2 weeks it dropped to 574 and during 8 months it stayed at around 560 - 580, which is very good."
I considered it was a great reduction of DHT. You see that?Comment
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Guys,
I asked some questions about this product directly to the company. look:
Me:
Good day.
I am part of a forum in Brazil about baldness with over 7,000 members and were very happy with this product Kératente. However, while there were several questions about the operation. I would like if possible you be referring these questions to you and passing this information to the members of the forum.
The first question is: In clinical trials showed that there was a large reduction in DHT levels from subjects given Kératene, testosterone but did not rise. How this is possible? It is practically impossible to have a reduction in DHT without an increase in testosterone levels.
This is a question that is key to creating a certain distrust that this product can actually download the DHT without changing testosterone.
Thank you.
Company response:
Hello Julio,
many thanks for your message, we appreciate your interest in Kératene.
To reply to your question I have to remind you the following aspects:
DHT is the results of a chemical reaction between 2 components: the enzyme 5ard and testosterone (T).
Whenever one molecule of 5ard is in the proximity of T, 2 atoms of hydrogen are transmitted to T.
This reaction is called chemical reduction.
1 * 5ard + 1 * T = 1 DHT (DHT means: di = 2 - hydro = hydrogen - testosterone T)
As such, DHT is a byproduct, a result, not a source.
The sources is 5ard and T. DHT is an “effect”, a “result”.
If you remove the “result”, you don’t necessarily need to remove the cause.
In theory, what you said (see below # 1 & # 2), is partially true.
However, in practice, in order to reduce DHT, you can work on 3 ways:
1 – reduce the mount of 5ard available in the body by inhibiting its secretion
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2 – reduce the T in the body by inhibiting its secretion
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3 - prevent the combination between 5ard and T already available in the body
Our product uses method 3.
If you prevent the reaction between the sources (5ard and T), you prevent the formation of DHT, and as such you “reduce” the DHT level.
However, this does not automatically mean that you reduce T or 5ard.
In fact, you simply prevent a chemical reaction from happening, without affecting the sources.
In other words, the product does not affect the sources, because it’s not needed.
It only prevents a chemical reaction between the sources.
The word “reduce” is not an accurate term because what actually happens is a limitation of the total DHT produced, rather than a reduction of the DHT already produced.
That is why our product is called a DHT depressor and not a DHT reducer.
You reduce something which is already made/created. You depress something which is not yet produced/created.
It’s a very fine difference and I hope you understand it.
Kind regards,
Chris Anderson
KERATENE Product Specialist
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It's sounds strange to me that people would prefer to ignore the initial clinical trial data and doctor/hair clinic endorsement for Keratene (which btw had one of it's companies bought by the cosmetic giant L'Oreal in the recent past) and would like to try out RU for which I have found no credible data on the net regarding efficacy or safety. But that's just me...
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The past few days the fatigue has subsided and am actually feeling pretty good - I may have jumped the gun a bit by blaming the keratene for my fatigue levels.
Funnily enough my biggest worry starting out was the warning that it can lower athletic performance - So far things are good, my lifts in the gym have actually increased.
In terms of hair loss, my hair fall has stopped. Not sure if this is a good thing considering shed's are associated with future regrowth, but a positive I guess is that my hair definitely feels heavier atm.Comment
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I agree with you Jasari. I felt the fatigue thing 2 weeks ago. I really do not know why its happening? Any idea or scientific explaination?
However I eliminated it when I started taking some Korean Ginseng extract (Panax Ginseng). Im so back to normal :-)Comment
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They say it takes some time for the body to recover if DHT levels drop, as DHT is associated with keeping the energy levels up in the body. But too much DHT can harm the hair follicles and too little DHT can harm bodily functions. I assume people must be seeing similar fatigue initially while on Fin. Hope Keratene maintains DHT in the safe range as they claim in their study.
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