KÉRATENE Alphactive ® Retard

[LongWayHome]

Update:

After one week of using the shampoo ad ultra serum, my hair feels good - kind of heavier than before, thicker. but this is obviously a cosmetic effect. no itch btw.

with regard to hairloss, it is way to early to tell of course. maybe my hairloss has decreased to a minor degree, but possibly it's just my imagination.

I will report back at the end of the first month.

Thank you.
It's good that you people keep updating.

[doke]

Although i was tempted to try i thought this is no miracle super cure as they are hair transplant clinic what we really still need is a hair regrowth product that does away with transplants and can regrow hair all over scalp even in shiny bald scalps which is in the future and i think it was psi or oc000459 which did that in some but it needs safety tests on humans although we know some are experimenting and is it better if you cannot use finas to try ru58841,as i see mpb have a new ru58841 plus added to there shop.

[JJacobs152]

Tracy, what is your source about the study being flawed? If this is true, well this basically throws Keratene in the garbage, and shows no credibility in their products at all. The members here are just throwing their money away. This product would basically be as good as the Nioxin shampoos - nil.

[JJacobs152]

Tracy, what is your source about the study being flawed? If this is true, well this basically throws Keratene in the garbage, and shows no credibility in their products at all. The members here are just throwing their money away. This product would basically be as good as the Nioxin shampoos - nil.

Edit: Ok, I re-read this thread again, and you guys, I'm backing Tracy up 110% on this. You guys are jumping the gun way tooo quick with this product. Just stop, and use your heads for a single moment.

1. There is no clinical data backing up this product at all. When you go to www.pubmed.org and type in keywords like "finasteride", "minoxidil", "insert drug name" - you get a list of hundreds and thousands of studies that were done on the product. With Keratene, there is no such study to be found, besides their in house study.

2. All the "data" that we see is from various hair loss forums, and even then - none of these people are posting pictures showing their improvements or gains. Additionally, lol, all the threads are from people that have 1-2 posts...c'mon now guys. Look on this forum, and you'll see people posting their progress with fin, minox, RU, etc etc. I know the product hasn't been around for too long, but it has been around enough for people to post timely intervalled photos from it's debut on the market to the current date.

3. I really think you guys should re-consider dumping your money into this product. I personally believe this is just something along the lines of Saw Palmetto. It probably does lower DHT levels, but not to the point of showing significant improvement. As Tracy said, taking any synthesized product will have side effects. It's a trade-off, that comes with the product.

You're only getting flamed in this thread because you're telling people what they don't want to hear, namely this is another sham product with no proper scientific evidence behind it.

Yes, because Kirby, the truth does hurt. You guys are getting blindsided by your logic and proper thinking. Instead, you're letting your desperate nature take the best of you. Not you specifically, but everybody that is interested in throwing their money into Keratene.

Just food for thought, does Keratene have a FDA approval? Even if it does, it still doesn't mean anything.

You guys need to stick to products that have showed a positive trend through the years and are consistent. Think about how much more you'll be devastated finding out:

a. You spent your money on a product that wasn't effective.
b. You could've used that money to either:
i. save up for a hair transplant
ii. used it to purchase products that do help with hairloss.

[Cob984]

Wow man you have way too much time on your hands,
If you have read this thread you will see majority of the people trying it are those that cannot tolerate FIN, i dont think anyone here is telling people to dump the big 3 and get on this, this is for those people giving this a shot , how are you comparing the cost of HT to buying something for 50-100$ ? if iv tried fin and cannot continue what do u want me to do? watch my hair disappear rapidly everyday,

On another note, for those trying the pills, they can always get their dht levels tested and see if keratenes claims are legit or not

[Conpecia]

Jjacobs, I appreciate your efforts to make sure we don't waste our money. But what about the fact that all of those doctors are recommending Keratene at their clinics. As an American, I can't even buy it directly, but instead have to purchase it from Pro Hair Clinic. Do you think PHC or any of these doctor's would risk their reputations by recommending a snake oil?

[JJacobs152]

Jjacobs, I appreciate your efforts to make sure we don't waste our money. But what about the fact that all of those doctors are recommending Keratene at their clinics. As an American, I can't even buy it directly, but instead have to purchase it from Pro Hair Clinic. Do you think PHC or any of these doctor's would risk their reputations by recommending a snake oil?

Physicians can recommend anything they want to a patient, because at the end of the day, companies will give the physician a cut on the percentage of sales &/or the physician will just keep the profits from the product. It's unethical, but most physician's are guilty of doing this. It's probably hard to believe, but it's the truth.

Secondly, a physician that's recommending a product that isn't FDA approved - raises questions. Physicians will say what I'm telling you (as a future physician) - stick to the products that have proven scientific results with massive amounts of literature and data to back up any of the claims.

Yes, as the poster above stated - if you can't take fin because of the side effects, and are stuck in a corner against hairloss and all you have left is Keratene - then go for it. What do you have to lose, right? It's worth a shot to see what'll come out of it. Just don't put all your eggs in the same basket.

[lucrio]

I personally feel like this is a win win situation. Guys who cannot tolerate finasteride (myself included) can try this product without risking much as it is a moderately reasonable price, determine if it is effective, then if it is effective report results and pass them onto the rest of the forum.

No one here is naive enough to put full trust and belief into this product simply because it is advertised to work. It is simply a plan B, C, or even D for people who have exhausted the proven plan A (Finasteride). Hey, if I don't feel a $42 bag of m&ms is too expensive and want to spend my money on it to see if it stops my hair loss then why the heck not try if it is between that and doing nothing.

[shredder]

Secondly, a physician that's recommending a product that isn't FDA approved - raises questions. Physicians will say what I'm telling you (as a future physician) - stick to the products that have proven scientific results with massive amounts of literature and data to back up any of the claims.

I'm sorry, but that is - please don't take it personally - complete rubbish.

Let me give you an example: search for "DOTA PET" on Pubmed. 68-Ga-DOTA-peptides are positron emission tomography radiotracers that selectively attach to neuroendocrine tumors. They have been around for several years, EVERY half-decent nuclear medicine physician in the world (including the US) will tell you it is THE radiotracer to use for patients with these tumors (there are tons of high-quality studies available). Every major European imaging center has been using this substance for years - BUT it is still NOT approved by the FDA (much to the anger of US nuclear medicine physicians), so US patients have to travel to Europe for these scans! Don't beleive it? Ask for instance at the UCLA nuclear medicine department.

What I am trying to say (and I can give you several examples like the one above): the FDA is by no means undisputed (of course, neither is the EMA), and is often extremely slow in their actions; so lack of approval by the FDA does not really mean that much.

Back to the topic: I don't know whether or not the Keratene products will work (and I have stated this explicitly), but as someone who cannot tolerate Fin and (still having quite a lot of hair) is reluctant to try Minox because of the associated initial shed, I have few choices left (apart from Nizoral, which I already use).

[Tracy C]

...Guys who cannot tolerate finasteride (myself included) can try this product without risking much as it is a moderately reasonable price, determine if it is effective...

The safety of this product has not been proven anymore than the efficacy has been proven. Neither have been appropriately proven so you don't actually know what you are risking.

[Cob984]

Is anyone consistently on the pills yet? I am thinking of giving it another go,
while the topicals have a voluminizing affect i am unsure of their ability to control mpb

[shredder]

no, I have received the capsules, but I haven't tried them yet - topicals come first.

If I see no success - at present, I think there is some moderate reduction in terms of hair loss - with the topicals, I will try the capsules.

[LongWayHome]

Is anyone consistently on the pills yet? I am thinking of giving it another go,
while the topicals have a voluminizing affect i am unsure of their ability to control mpb

It's been a week and a few days and I'm still waiting man,
The minute I get it you'll know, same about the minute I pop it.

[Cob984]

alright gents, im gonna get on the capsules again, starting with 2/week + DIM 150mg everyday to get some of the weight sides in order,
Also ordered resveratrol to help with that, i will then alterate dim and resveratrol,
plan to give this a good 3-4 weeks, time to buckle down and attempt it again

[JJacobs152]

I'm sorry, but that is - please don't take it personally - complete rubbish.

Let me give you an example: search for "DOTA PET" on Pubmed. 68-Ga-DOTA-peptides are positron emission tomography radiotracers that selectively attach to neuroendocrine tumors. They have been around for several years, EVERY half-decent nuclear medicine physician in the world (including the US) will tell you it is THE radiotracer to use for patients with these tumors (there are tons of high-quality studies available). Every major European imaging center has been using this substance for years - BUT it is still NOT approved by the FDA (much to the anger of US nuclear medicine physicians), so US patients have to travel to Europe for these scans! Don't beleive it? Ask for instance at the UCLA nuclear medicine department.

What I am trying to say (and I can give you several examples like the one above): the FDA is by no means undisputed (of course, neither is the EMA), and is often extremely slow in their actions; so lack of approval by the FDA does not really mean that much.

Back to the topic: I don't know whether or not the Keratene products will work (and I have stated this explicitly), but as someone who cannot tolerate Fin and (still having quite a lot of hair) is reluctant to try Minox because of the associated initial shed, I have few choices left (apart from Nizoral, which I already use).

Nice job on finding this article. Wasn't aware of this case. I always enjoy seeing good arguments like this here on the internet.

Your reasoning for not using Minox due to the initial shed is understandable. However, information and articles have been posted, stating where seeing a shed is part of the routine where the body pushes the current follicle to make room for the new incoming follicle. I should add, these aren't scientific journals, lol.

Is Keratene claiming that there is no shed seen with their products? If that's the case, then doesn't that seem weird? Products that are showing good positive results all have the "initial shed", but do Keratene products not cause this?