KÉRATENE Alphactive ® Retard

[GuyFromUK]

Am I right in thinking this product is supposed to obliterate the 5 alpha reductase enzyme just like finasteride does? I.e. by getting rid of 5 alpha reductase it prevents the conversion of testosterone to DHT.

If this is the case then why doesn't their website explain how this product achieves that?

Surely they haven't just discovered a new version of finasteride that can also get rid of 5ar in the human body?! If they have invented this then there is clearly a LOT of science behind their product, you can't just invent something like this quickly or without a lot of medical expertise.

When you read their website it doesn't look like they are a scientific outfit. They don't look like they have lots of great scientists working for them who have spent years developing a new version of finasteride.

Their website doesn't explain what is inside their product that can get rid of 5 alpha reductase. You would think that with a miracle breakthrough like this they would at least have a bit more scientific stuff on their site.

For all we know they could just be putting a tiny amount of finasteride or saw palmetto in each capsule.

I want to believe in this product but their website looks fishy and it looks like another snake oil to me

[Cob984]

Actually if you read the website closely, and i clearly have too much free time it claims to stop the 5ar enzyme from hydrogenating T into DHT, leaving the total levels of 5ar unchanged. This seems too good to be true and frankly i think its a bogus claim, If i was them and this was true i would be shouting this from the rooftops and say this is why there are no sides, rather than our product reduces dht by a lesser amount than fin so you get no sides.

This is definitely not saw palmetto dude, i take saw palmetto daily with tolerable sides, this keratene pill blitzed my body, i felt like i put on fat on my chest and hips in like 1 week, i felt so bloated on this stuff, not to mention slight brain fog which i dont get on saw palmetto.
I think this is some seriously potent plant sterol in the beta sitosterol mould? Im guessing but yes they seem to be rather secretive of their ingredient list, i wonder why.


For reference my exchange with a rep:
me - Also, i had a question about your product and in particular the Retard capsules, how is this different from propecia exactly if its also a 5AR inhibitor?

them - Kératene alphactive Retard is not a 5ard inhibitor but rather a catalyse inhibitor, it prevents the transformation of testosterone to DHT.
It is fundamentally different from Propecia in many ways, such as it is a bio-organic bio-compatible compound based on plant fats whereas finasteride is a synthetically engineered molecule. Our product achieves comparable results, without the side-effects.

me - So exactly how does it stop test to dht without inhibiting 5AR?
The fact that it is natural means nothing, for eg, i took saw palmetto, its also natural but caused me sides because its a mild 5ar inhibitor,

them - It’s all explained here

http://www.keratene.com/keratene-retard-anti-DHT-5ARD-capsules.html

[yeahyeahyeah]

Actually if you read the website closely, and i clearly have too much free time it claims to stop the 5ar enzyme from hydrogenating T into DHT, leaving the total levels of 5ar unchanged. This seems too good to be true and frankly i think its a bogus claim, If i was them and this was true i would be shouting this from the rooftops and say this is why there are no sides, rather than our product reduces dht by a lesser amount than fin so you get no sides.

This is definitely not saw palmetto dude, i take saw palmetto daily with tolerable sides, this keratene pill blitzed my body, i felt like i put on fat on my chest and hips in like 1 week, i felt so bloated on this stuff, not to mention slight brain fog which i dont get on saw palmetto.
I think this is some seriously potent plant sterol in the beta sitosterol mould? Im guessing but yes they seem to be rather secretive of their ingredient list, i wonder why.


For reference my exchange with a rep:
me - Also, i had a question about your product and in particular the Retard capsules, how is this different from propecia exactly if its also a 5AR inhibitor?

them - Kératene alphactive Retard is not a 5ard inhibitor but rather a catalyse inhibitor, it prevents the transformation of testosterone to DHT.
It is fundamentally different from Propecia in many ways, such as it is a bio-organic bio-compatible compound based on plant fats whereas finasteride is a synthetically engineered molecule. Our product achieves comparable results, without the side-effects.

me - So exactly how does it stop test to dht without inhibiting 5AR?
The fact that it is natural means nothing, for eg, i took saw palmetto, its also natural but caused me sides because its a mild 5ar inhibitor,

them - It’s all explained here
http://www.keratene.com/keratene-ret...-capsules.html

You should tell them that you got sides.

And isnt DHT important for bodybuilding etc.

[Tracy C]

Hey tracy can you please leave this thread?

Absolutely not - and it is not your place to tell me to leave.

These guys deserve to know that there is a gross lack of credible evidence to support the safety and efficacy of this product.

[LongWayHome]

Absolutely not - and it is not your place to tell me to leave.

These guys deserve to know that there is a gross lack of credible evidence to support the safety and efficacy of this product.

We know that.
I'm 22, 1.87m, with hair like Desmond from lost, same temples, only he has it permanently and I'm receeding. Sucks right?
I'm used since 16 years old that girls all over look at me and playing with their hair, even when they're driving for god sake.
Unfortunately, without hair I'm a totally a different person, I wish it wasn't like that but it is.
I'm desperate, and I'm going to try this thing. If it won't work then RU, if not, then fin again and the hell with the sides.
The anger between you and Cob is useless.
I'm going to report whether it's snake oil or a lion oil, until then it is best if you'll relaxe.

[lucrio]

I read all of the trial documentation provided earlier in this thread and also right here,

http://www.prohairclinic.com/sites/default/files/files/images/Keratene-Clinical-Results-Retard_protected.pdf

and this seems like legitimate documentation. Unless the company completely invented their trial participants and test results out of the blue, which would be a very brazen and risky tactic, it's hard to see how this product, pills in particular, could be snake oil. Granted the sample size of trial participants was small, something like 35 people, they are basing their claims purely off of the data. I don't necessarily think they mean the product is side effect free but more that there were no observed side effects in the trial group. The point of the trials was to prove Keratene lowers DHT levels without changing testosterone or free testosterone levels, which looks to be exactly what was proven true.

Also, the difference between inhibiting 5AR (finasteride) and inhibiting the formation of DHT from 5AR (keratene) is pretty clear to me. Inhibiting 5AR literally means the body has less 5AR present in it. Inhibiting the formation of DHT from 5AR means not allowing 5AR to give up its hydrogens to testosterone which becomes DHT, while still allowing the 5AR to be present in the same amounts.

Perhaps allowing 5AR to exist while not forming DHT lets it perform it's role in other less known hormonal activities, creating less sides. This is just speculation but all I can presume is that this product seems to perform the role of lowering DHT, determining how different the side effect profile and hair loss prevention is from finasteride is now up to us to test as it looks like from reading the documentation that funding to pursue a drug label for it will not be sufficient and it will remain a disease nonspecific dietary supplement.

This thread should be more about giving caution and speculation where it is due while keeping an open enough mind to pursue POSSIBLE treatments.

[GuyFromUK]

What is the main cause of side effects from Finasteride, is it from lowering DHT levels too low or is it from getting rid of 5AR?

[Tracy C]

I read all of the trial documentation provided earlier in this thread and also right here,

http://www.prohairclinic.com/sites/default/files/files/images/Keratene-Clinical-Results-Retard_protected.pdf

and this seems like legitimate documentation.

The problem with this documentation, as well as all other available documentation on this product, is that every word of it is coming from someone who has a vested interest in selling the product. There are no unbiased evaluations at all. That is not acceptable. That makes all the available documentation basically uncredible and worthless.

[clandestine]

This discussion is tiring. Tracy, you sound like a broken record. Boys, stop attacking Tracy, she's partially right.

So who is ordering the pills /has ordered them?

[Tracy C]

Tracy, you sound like a broken record.

That's because these guys are either missing or ignoring the obvious problem with this product.

The OP asked for our thoughts. Does that exclude my thoughts? I am simply drawing attention to the obvious.

[Cob984]

2 continous weeks of using the Topicals as directed and my hair especially after a wash looks so damn good, Its too early to comment on its effectiveness in my mpb battle because topicals i guess are notorious in their short term affect, but damn, i always do a quick wash before i go out on weekends and my hair looks great right after, i would buy it just for that

if this affect lasts ill be overjoyed, fingers crossed, i defn have lost minimal if any ground since using just the shampoo though I must warn you guys my androgen sensitive body is probably not a good benchmark of this stuff

[LongWayHome]

This discussion is tiring. Tracy, you sound like a broken record. Boys, stop attacking Tracy, she's partially right.

So who is ordering the pills /has ordered them?

I ordered the pills a few days ago.
And as I said, I'll report everything.

[Jcm800]

I ordered the pills a few days ago.
And as I said, I'll report everything.

How much were the pills, are you in the UK?

[LongWayHome]

How much were the pills, are you in the UK?

No, I'm in Israel.

It was 72 EUR which is 42 EUR for 60 pills and 30 EUR for delivery.

[shredder]

Update:

After one week of using the shampoo ad ultra serum, my hair feels good - kind of heavier than before, thicker. but this is obviously a cosmetic effect. no itch btw.

with regard to hairloss, it is way to early to tell of course. maybe my hairloss has decreased to a minor degree, but possibly it's just my imagination.

I will report back at the end of the first month.