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And whats this about "follicular sensitization threshold"?? In their study they claim DHT levels at 980 is the threshold. Is that true?
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the only thing different about this product is:-
1) dht levels dont go as low as fin, but much lower than 20-25% reductions, its absolutely more than that
2) its natural and apparently has a much smaller half life so it claims to disappear from your system rather rapidly reducing the risk of PFS like stuff or so they claim
3) its a 5ar catalyse inhibitor not a suppressor so apparently the levels of 5ar in your system remain unchanged, i personally dont believe this rather i dont see how this is relevant since a lot of the ED sides etc are dht level related and not 5ar related,Comment
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The shampoo is not supposed to work on its own, u gota use it in combo with something, i did the shampoo + serum and got some not so nice cognitive sides
now i only use the shampoo 3x week, i like it and will continue to use it, makes hair feel good, i prefer it to nizComment
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Tracy C with all my respect for you for being a female member. Please don't suppress our hopes to suppress our DHT level. Think about the people who get sexual sides with Finastride. What do you think of them? Is life is over to them??? We all know you are a pro Finastride and I admit its way more effective than this product. But please do not just go attacking anything that stands on its way. Lets debate with scientific base. Thank you.Comment
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you are a flaming idiot,
if people go by your logic and they cant tolerate fin they should sit on their ass and just wait for hair to disappear when there are so many other less effective things out there that can be clung on to to prevent the eventual, rather slow the eventualComment
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think I might try this in conjunction with capillogain for the next 3-5 months. I am sick of the fin side effects and perhaps this will minimize them... gonna order some this weekendComment
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Here is another positive Keratene account from another forum. Apparently this person was also involved in the clinical trials.
"I do know a few details.
I took part in their trials back in 2011 on this product and I got to experience various formulations they pushed down my throat. No side-effects for me personally but I heard from one of the doctors involved in the screening of the rest of the guys that some heavy duty athlete complained about tiredness or so. Anyway the guy was a sport freak or so. One extra bonus for me haaha (unexpected though) after about half a year of popping pills I got some hair growing back on a previously a totally bald spot... on my leg! It was sweet to see that and it keeps going ok but it's not as hairy as the regions next to the spot. However the company went beyond any reasonable efforts to educate me that the product is strictly for the maintenance of the existing hair density and not for hair growth. So for the record, just to be clear, I do not say KAR is meant for hair growth. After the trial I saw the clinical presentation at a scientific meeting and the clinical tests show interesting results to say the least (and this is an understatement, just to be discreet and not advertise the product). From the papers I got for my trial the text sounds like this "Kératene alphactive Retard (I call it KAR) is not a direct enzyme inhibitor, but rather an indirect DHT depressor (lowering). The product does not interfere with 5ard (it just leaves the molecule intact) and it does not affect testosterone or other hormonal factors. It reduces DHT levels by preventing the chemical reduction of Testosterone into DHT. With Keratene alphactive retard you can "see" the direct effects by measuring your DHT levels in blood, prior to administration and after at least 7 days during administration. ".
My personal results were like this: before KAR - DHT 1734pg/ml, after 8 days it dropped to 762, then after 2 weeks it dropped to 574 and during 8 months it stayed at around 560 - 580, which is very good.
Up to this moment I feel good, I am happy with my own experience.
From my point of view the problem with testing your own dht level is finding a proper lab that has the gear to run the test correctly. Dht is no longer a hot topic and it can be quite challenging to find a good lab. Best bet would be a university hospital or possibly at the endocrinology faculties they may still do dht. Contact the customer care from keratene if you want to ask something specific or so, they answer pretty quickly and you get (in my opinion) educated answers.
But anyway, don't just jump buying the stuff like that. Be smart, they still run some trials and if you're from the Belgium region you can jump in for free. The nasty part is that they require you to get your veins needled several times (actually lots of times, my veins are still blue and patchy) and if you're not a fan of long sharp pointy needles.... you're screwed. Go consult a professional doctor or so. Where are you from? Did you visit a doctor? If you're from Europe I can recommend you a few.
Anyway, based on my own experience, the product does not help much when you're in telogen effluvium, that crazy hair shedding when you're losing hairs in rapid tempo so if you're in "that" period of the year, just be patient, take care of yourself, lower the stress and take some vitamins. If you're already in a visible / advanced state of alopecia, save some cash and do either micropigmentation or a transplant (if you can afford it or depending on what you feel comfortable with). KAR will probably help you keep the normal hairs you have now but the biggest change will be made by ht.
Let me know if this helps!
Cheers
Last edited on Sun Nov 4th, 2012 09:59 am by mkwill"
So, according to what we've heard from a few trial participants, it seems like there is a good chance that Keratene will maintain the hair you have.Comment
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I'm sure it will, as it works by a similar method to that of Fin. Question is whether it has sides or not.Comment
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And be sure to keep us updated Conpecia!Comment
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Yeah keep us updated, im getting desperate myselfComment
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