Histogen at the ISHRS conference

[Kiwi]

A colleague just sent me this. How is this not awesome.

HSC caused a response in over 80% of subjects who grew 40-60% more hair. Pretty impressive.

Current trials show 8% increase in hair density at 12 weeks decreasing to 6% at 24 weeks then rising to 30-40% at 48 weeks (average of all subjects)
It also works in difficult to treat temples with increased density of 20-25%

Hairs that were there at 1 year were still there at 2 years.

The conference was told a treatment course of two lots of 50 injections 6 weeks apart would cost USD2000. They say you have about 50 injections a session.

[Jasari]

A colleague just sent me this. How is this not awesome.

HSC caused a response in over 80% of subjects who grew 40-60% more hair. Pretty impressive.

Current trials show 8% increase in hair density at 12 weeks decreasing to 6% at 24 weeks then rising to 30-40% at 48 weeks (average of all subjects)
It also works in difficult to treat temples with increased density of 20-25%

Hairs that were there at 1 year were still there at 2 years.

The conference was told a treatment course of two lots of 50 injections 6 weeks apart would cost USD2000. They say you have about 50 injections a session.

Thats a pretty a good price -- About the same as getting something like TRX2 or other fairly useless topicals for a year.

40-60% is alot though -- If there is around 2.2 hairs per graft and if around 10k grafts would give a bald norwood 5/6 cosmetic coverage this apparently gives the equivalent of a 4000 - 6000 graft hair transplant. Thats pretty crazy if true.

[Scientalk56]

2000 USD every two years is pretty expensive.

concerning the number of injections and dose - nobody can tell, because phase II/III is supposed to check that.

Something like HSC, that bald people in the whole world will be depended on, so they can still hold their hair, shouldn't be expensive. because every bald guy will get the treatment every two years, an income from every bald guy in the world every two years will make histogen rich enough...
that 2000 price will make histogen bankrupt.. lol

anyway.. if that's the max amount of price that would be, it will drop eventually.

[yeahyeahyeah]

2000 USD every two years is pretty expensive.

concerning the number of injections and dose - nobody can tell, because phase II/III is supposed to check that.

Something like HSC, that bald people in the whole world will be depended on, so they can still hold their hair, shouldn't be expensive. because every bald guy will get the treatment every two years, an income from every bald guy in the world every two years will make histogen rich enough...
that 2000 price will make histogen bankrupt.. lol

anyway.. if that's the max amount of price that would be, it will drop eventually.

We dont know that, and many may just pay that much fo x amount of time.

[Jasari]

2000 USD every two years is pretty expensive.

concerning the number of injections and dose - nobody can tell, because phase II/III is supposed to check that.

Something like HSC, that bald people in the whole world will be depended on, so they can still hold their hair, shouldn't be expensive. because every bald guy will get the treatment every two years, an income from every bald guy in the world every two years will make histogen rich enough...
that 2000 price will make histogen bankrupt.. lol

anyway.. if that's the max amount of price that would be, it will drop eventually.

If it lasts 2 years that's only $20 per week -- Not too bad.

[Artista]

Kiwi,,it is awesome, thanks for posting

[custards]

Interesting to hear a dollar value. If it's effective the pricing is more than reasonable. Honestly although that's 1/4 of my annual income I would find a way to make it work. I'm guessing guys who work fulltime probably wouldn't give it a second thought.

However 20% non-response is going to cause a lot of broken hearts

[25 going on 65]

All speculative until the product is on the market. But I would gladly pay $20 every week for hair. That costs less than Avodart.

[BoSox]

I wish they'd hurry up, I'm getting tired of rubbing concealer on my head. It's mentally and physically exhausting. Hurry Histogen /:

[yeahyeahyeah]

I wish they'd hurry up, I'm getting tired of rubbing concealer on my head. It's mentally and physically exhausting. Hurry Histogen /:

Same , I have a NW2 to maintain.

[bananana]

Guys, I think they still need to work on thos 20% non responders - in big numbers that is going to leave A LOT of broken hearts. Think about it, FUE works in probably 99% cases and still there are a lot of complaints, so I dont know - 20% is pretty big number, I'd wish they would cut it down to less than a single digit %...

And I would really hope that it's compoundable and/or bigger doses mean more/longer regrowth.

Anyways, these are all very good news.

[dex89]

is this proven to work on the temples/hairline?

[neversaynever]

A colleague just sent me this. How is this not awesome.

HSC caused a response in over 80% of subjects who grew 40-60% more hair. Pretty impressive.

Current trials show 8% increase in hair density at 12 weeks decreasing to 6% at 24 weeks then rising to 30-40% at 48 weeks (average of all subjects)
It also works in difficult to treat temples with increased density of 20-25%

Hairs that were there at 1 year were still there at 2 years.

The conference was told a treatment course of two lots of 50 injections 6 weeks apart would cost USD2000. They say you have about 50 injections a session.

It is great news, still best news bald men have had for many years. "increase in density". By that do they mean an increase in terminal hairs? or total hair count? Either would be great but total hair count (including vellus, thinner hairs) would be amazing.

2000 every 2 years (and it might be even more than 2 years) is a great price. We should all be happy with that price. And also, it might just be an introductory price, subject to decrease in time. A money back offer if the treatment doesnt work would be perfect.

All great news. Would love to hear about their plans. Phase 3. Updated timeline etc.

[goingquick]

Who is your colleague Kiwi? Can you verify any of that info?

Also, what's with the "every 2 years" thing people are talking about? Do the hair counts start diminishing after 2 years? Is this just MPB resuming its course, in which case we could off-set it with meds like fin?

[neversaynever]

Who is your colleague Kiwi? Can you verify any of that info?

Also, what's with the "every 2 years" thing people are talking about? Do the hair counts start diminishing after 2 years? Is this just MPB resuming its course, in which case we could off-set it with meds like fin?

2 years is just an assumption, because so far histogen can only look at the patients from earlier trials to evaluate if hair is still growing, which is about 2 years. High chance that it will last longer