Histogen at the ISHRS conference

[Kiwi]

seriously...histogen for phase III needs to just take everyone on this damn histogen thread and test on all of us

HELLS YES!

Are we not like their biggest fans ever

[FearTheLoss]

seriously...histogen for phase III needs to just take everyone on this damn histogen thread and test on all of us

[Breaking Bald]

Having a bad day today I just want this to be over! I can feel my left temple aching. Does anybody else get this ache/pain/tingling feeling? It's like I can feel when mpb is kicking in. It's weird.

[Kiwi]

wow, that was useful

Patience!!! These photos could be the best f*u*(king photos for us ever!!!!

Fingers crossed you've never been happier to see photos!

[clarence]

He's probably just gonna wait for the final IIA result pictures Which is probably only a month or two away.

wow, that was useful

[rdawg]

Where the hell are those new pics that Zeiring promised us on the bald truth show???

He's probably just gonna wait for the final IIA result pictures Which is probably only a month or two away.

[Breaking Bald]

Where the hell are those new pics that Zeiring promised us on the bald truth show???

[mjolnir]

Lets be real fin is a joke and the fact that is the 'best' thing currently out there is sad...You can block DHT all you want it isn't going to cure your hairloss and if you are blocking it systemically by large percentages you will not be living at 100% fully healthy capacities. Especially if you are young, keep that DHT man! As long as your scalp has sufficient levels of growth factors ie Hisotgen injections you will be fine! Throw in a topical AA like CB and RU and we'll be good to go. If the Histogen trials were using fin or RU believe me the results would be much more impressive.

May very well be true, but there's nothing wrong with being cautious in our optimism. All we know for sure is what we've been shown, and it is pretty good. I think there's very little doubt that it'll hit the market, and I think it'll probably be significantly better than existing solutions for most people. If we do end up horribly disappointed though, it'll be because our expectations were far to high for that data we had, and I think that's something we all want to avoid.

[Dan26]

Folks I think you're being too negative about Histogen here.

Fin promises regrowth for very few people, and the regrowth (I had some) isn't that great.

HSC has shown much better regrowth in a very satisfying number of patients. That is so much way better than Fin, I don't see how you guys can even compare the two.

And this is without even taking into consideration the side effects Fin comes with, which Histogen doesn't seem to have.

If you are in early hair loss stages (especially if you have general thinning on temples and that's it) I think you can feel pretty safe about what Histogen can do as long as it's released relatively soon.

I think anything that halts my loss and regrows what I had before to a point where my thinning is not noticeable is a hair loss cure, and I would be willing to pay $100K or more for it.

Piece of advice to all of you out there:

We all know where we stand now, we have to keep our fingers crossed that Histogen goes smoothly. If we have a bit of luck we will have a product in 2-5 years and our hair will be likely to look OK if not even better. But right now we know are likely to hear more from Aderans or Histogen in March/April.

So in the meantime, rather than trying to fend off every post by 2020, go get in good shape and improve your life, and come back to this forum once a week to see if anything new came out about Histogen and other topics. Being obsessed doesn't help, and who knows you might accomplish something useful with this motivation, to the point of not needing hair in your future years!

Lets be real fin is a joke and the fact that is the 'best' thing currently out there is sad...You can block DHT all you want it isn't going to cure your hairloss and if you are blocking it systemically by large percentages you will not be living at 100% fully healthy capacities. Especially if you are young, keep that DHT man! As long as your scalp has sufficient levels of growth factors ie Hisotgen injections you will be fine! Throw in a topical AA like CB and RU and we'll be good to go. If the Histogen trials were using fin or RU believe me the results would be much more impressive.

[yeahyeahyeah]

yes there is a market for everything... some people are willing to pay money for someone to shit on their face... one of those doesn't involve $100m+ initial investment.

Most people are way past the "comfortable" level of baldness. Also, what if I told you that women market share is much bigger than men's? Who is going to pay for zero results.

TBH I think these treatments are more likely to benefit the next generation.

We are ****ed.

[Thinning87]

Folks I think you're being too negative about Histogen here.

Fin promises regrowth for very few people, and the regrowth (I had some) isn't that great.

HSC has shown much better regrowth in a very satisfying number of patients. That is so much way better than Fin, I don't see how you guys can even compare the two.

And this is without even taking into consideration the side effects Fin comes with, which Histogen doesn't seem to have.

If you are in early hair loss stages (especially if you have general thinning on temples and that's it) I think you can feel pretty safe about what Histogen can do as long as it's released relatively soon.

I think anything that halts my loss and regrows what I had before to a point where my thinning is not noticeable is a hair loss cure, and I would be willing to pay $100K or more for it.

Piece of advice to all of you out there:

We all know where we stand now, we have to keep our fingers crossed that Histogen goes smoothly. If we have a bit of luck we will have a product in 2-5 years and our hair will be likely to look OK if not even better. But right now we know are likely to hear more from Aderans or Histogen in March/April.

So in the meantime, rather than trying to fend off every post by 2020, go get in good shape and improve your life, and come back to this forum once a week to see if anything new came out about Histogen and other topics. Being obsessed doesn't help, and who knows you might accomplish something useful with this motivation, to the point of not needing hair in your future years!

[mjolnir]

Well that's good to hear. I don't believe they have had any trouble at all with sides, so this sounds pretty promising.

So right now, without seeing the next phases further injections, we have a product that is a little better than propecia, but doesn't have sides? And I believe everyone on the histogen trials maintained everything they had plus some? am i correct?

I think there were a few people who still showed some loss, but on the whole I think you've got it right. Slightly better than propecia without the negative sides. I think some patients did report temporary sides at the start of treatment (someone correct me if I'm wrong), but I forget the exact nature or how long they last lasted.

Of course we don't know anything for sure at this point, so if propecia is working for you without major side effects, stick with it.

[Kirby_]

There is no true cure in the near future, but there are treatments that many will consider 'as good as a cure'. Especially early to mid baldies.

It's just about perspective. Some people want that elusive silver bullet, so when they refer to Aderans, they expect total reversal of balding. Anything short of that is a failure. Aderans have some regrowth, but if its compoundable?

I think it's reasonable to expect the likes of Histogen to replace Minox. Though more expensive, saves the having to apply the skin drying, aging topical.

As for the DHT issue, jury is out, but there is at least hope. Guys who are nw1-2-3 maybe even 4 have plenty of reason to be optimistic.

If HSC works as they claim it works, then I am happy to have injections every 2-3-4-5 years. Whatever. I just want something to replace anti-androgens and minox, and for people with plenty of hair remaining, Histogen might just be that replacement.

Most sensible post I've read for a while, TBH. Yes, a cure's not likely to come about before most of us reach retirement age, if even that, but better, effective treatments, certainly possible at least, and very very necessary.

[2020]

2020 you seem like someone who has done there research and is a veteran in this field...what is your take on histogen right now? Aren't they at the point where it would be very unexpected that they fail?

I said it before: 50:50 that HSC would even make it into the market. Keep in mind that there is zero chance that Histogen would be running this thing themselves, they would license it for use for other companies if it was worthwile product to begin with. Also - Acell is on the market but it's probably useless for most...

[FearTheLoss]

Dude, don't ask 2020 - he's irrational and overly pessimistic, and for someone who's barely even lost any hair (I think he said he was a NW2), he gets WAY more upset about this stuff than is healthy. Histogen is only going to fail at this point if there are health concerns that haven't yet expressed themselves for the dosages and/or time frames of the current trials.

Well that's good to hear. I don't believe they have had any trouble at all with sides, so this sounds pretty promising.

So right now, without seeing the next phases further injections, we have a product that is a little better than propecia, but doesn't have sides? And I believe everyone on the histogen trials maintained everything they had plus some? am i correct?