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  • didi
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2011
    • 1360

    Ok i guess you answered it

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    • neversaynever
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2011
      • 640

      Originally posted by drnigams
      neversay,Phase 1(FOR SAFETY) clearance confirmation of aderans and histogen by USFDA is acceptable in my country.We have a hair transplant call centre wherein the assigned junior doctors,follow up with patients on phone,as they r from different parts of the country or abroad,normally patients r asked to visit clinic once a month.NO known significant side effect has been notified till today by aderans or histogen to USFDA, since last 5yrs plus.Neither they nor me can predict future...!these r your own stem cells,which function in hair recycling in ur own scalp, serum free medium is used..mutation screening is done in all GMP certified labs. Neversay ,i am sorry u will only recieve reply from me for informed questions and suggestions.

      Give that you have treated many patients with HM, but have been unable to document their progress via photos because you need them to come to the clinic, does that also mean that you make no safety checks post injection?

      If you dont see the patients again, how do you know that the treatment is safe?

      Other research groups take samples post injection upto 2 years to check that there are no mutations or cells turning cancerous...
      [/QUOTE]

      But you are not using the exact same methods as aderans and histogen, therefore their safety profile has no relation to yours. Ok, so in india it is good enough, but in the west people will worry about that.

      Also, if patients visit once a month, and you have treated so many patients, you dont take photographic evidence?

      I find this a very strange approach to a scientific investigation.

      1. No collection of evidence and results
      2. An assumption that your methods are safe

      Interesting.

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      • NeedHairASAP
        Senior Member
        • Jul 2011
        • 1408

        Originally posted by drnigams
        Can't disclose much, but dr Gerd (the co paper presenter with dr roland ),the world's first tissue engineer who created human hair follicle in a regen lab in vitro, with his CEO will be with me,at my lab in mumbai from 27th to 30th jan 2013,for further discussions.
        If true, this is one of the more interesting pieces of information we will get until you are able to publish your paper(s).

        We understand some details will not be released from this meeting, but the fact you're meeting with a well published academic in the field is a start. His (and other well-published persons) opinion on what you're doing would go a very, very long way. Much longer than any interview with spencer or photo on your website; that's just to put the levels of "proof" into perspective for you. Although, an interview and photos wont hurt.


        Hopefully our skepticism doesn't seem rude.

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        • drnigams
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2012
          • 551

          HM was openly promoted by me since jan this year in mumbai,although with few patients we were performing HM in a small scale since last two years.You will have to wait for hair to grow..!they come for follow up ,but the photographer was appointed just 2 months back. QUOTE=neversaynever;93937]Dr Nigam, please find the time to answer my question about safety.

          Please explain how you ensure your treatment is safe if clients do not visit your clinic after treatment...

          Also, how do you document success? You say 50% success, so do the patients just phone you and say 'it worked"?? This does not seem very scientific....[/QUOTE]

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          • NeedHairASAP
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2011
            • 1408

            Originally posted by clandestine
            Dr Nigam, what do you have to say about the clearly doctored photos that were posted on your website?
            all ready been answered. Answer not fully accepted by all, but it has been answered.

            In summary, it was a mistake.

            the more important thing if the doctor can find well-respected people in the field, preferably published academics, whom back what he is saying. Not just posting their papers that back his theory, but actually having, for example, lauster say "this works". This is more important than any photo, spencer interview, or the rest.

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            • didi
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2011
              • 1360

              So did all 500 patiens just called in to report their result and level of satisfaction?

              That could explain why Dr Nigam dont have more photos, as it would make sense to take photos had they came back to his office

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              • neversaynever
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2011
                • 640

                Originally posted by didi
                So did all 500 patiens just called in to report their result and level of satisfaction?

                That could explain why Dr Nigam dont have more photos, as it would make sense to take photos had they came back to his office
                There hasnt been a clear answer to this. But if thats true, then it would appear that Nigam has gone to the trouble of successfully taking a huge leap towards the cure of baldness and based the success rate on people phoning in to say it worked.

                That seems scientifically bizzarre to me. If they are knowledgable enough to cure baldness, why are they no able to collect the evidence properly...

                Histogen and aderans inject placebo for a reason.

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                • drnigams
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2012
                  • 551

                  if my guess is correct...didi of BTF is moopookoo of HS, dearest didi, jealous competitors will write anything,especially when drnigam runs a chain of HT clinics with 8000sqft. clinic,150 plus staff,and performs 100plus transplants per clinic per month per clinic.do the writer of this comment and u have the guds to stop commenting from behind the bush and at least have guds and courage,to get rid of ur own fake names and identities with with ur own fake pic's....

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                  • didi
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 1360

                    Dr

                    Pls answer this question clearly...

                    So did all 500 patiens just called in to report their result and level of satisfaction?

                    That could explain why Dr Nigam dont have more photos, as it would make sense to take photos had they came back to his office

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                    • drnigams
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2012
                      • 551

                      5 pics on my webiste ,more coming every week,try hard didi..!E=didi;93946]So did all 500 patiens just called in to report their result and level of satisfaction?

                      That could explain why Dr Nigam dont have more photos, as it would make sense to take photos had they came back to his office[/QUOTE]

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                      • neversaynever
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2011
                        • 640

                        Originally posted by drnigams
                        5 pics on my webiste ,more coming every week,try hard didi..!E=didi;93946]So did all 500 patiens just called in to report their result and level of satisfaction?

                        That could explain why Dr Nigam dont have more photos, as it would make sense to take photos had they came back to his office
                        [/QUOTE]

                        That does not answer his question Dr nigam. I hope you could re-read it and answer directy...

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                        • didi
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2011
                          • 1360

                          Can you just answer the simple question, we all want an answer

                          Did all 500 patiens just called in to report their result and level of satisfaction and you based your % numbers on that?

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                          • drnigams
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2012
                            • 551

                            very funny, didi,patients do come for follow up ,or else we remind them,only those patients we don't have to remind are, who do not get the desired result. since there was no proffesional photographer,who, as u all know, was recruited a month and a half back.and now slowly good quality photos r coming on my site,can't grow hair overnight for U.

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                            • JJJJrS
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2012
                              • 638

                              Originally posted by clandestine
                              Dr Nigam, what do you have to say about the clearly doctored photos that were posted on your website?
                              Originally posted by NeedHairASAP
                              all ready been answered. Answer not fully accepted by all, but it has been answered.

                              In summary, it was a mistake.
                              I don't think Dr. Nigam ever clearly addressed this issue other then blaming his web site developer.

                              Something like this would never happen by "mistake." This was very clearly a deliberate attempt by Dr. Nigam's clinic to mislead and deceive prospective patients. A web designer would never photoshop a before and after picture unless he had instructions to do so.

                              It's bad enough when you see results section that use lighting, hair styles etc. to make their results appear better than they are. It's a completely different story when you blatantly edit and doctor the entire results section of your "miracle cure." When you do something like that, you lose all credibility.

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                              • neversaynever
                                Senior Member
                                • Dec 2011
                                • 640

                                Originally posted by drnigams
                                very funny, didi,patients do come for follow up ,or else we remind them,only those patients we don't have to remind are, who do not get the desired result. since there was no proffesional photographer,who, as u all know, was recruited a month and a half back.and now slowly good quality photos r coming on my site,can't grow hair overnight for U.
                                Dr Nigam, I believe you are the first from many groups who are trying to activate stem cells, or multiply them, who consider the naked eye and memory as scientific evidence.

                                I'll give the benefit of the doubt and say that you have been conducted your business poorly thus far , in the scientific sense.

                                What i understand is that from now you will be documenting things properly and this will take 6 months. That is reasonable.

                                What is not reasonable is your attitude towards safety. It doesn't seem important to you, which is worrying. Good luck with your publications, I hope you succeed. If you succeed, you will make many many many people extremely happy.

                                I'll be in india in febuary, so I'm curious about your new evidence presented before that date.

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