New Stemcell Treatment Photos... wow?

[neversaynever]

This thread is too damn long to read, but whats the lowdown here? is this about PRP? or some new kind of procedure, and is it an alternative to trying to save hair using dht blockers?

I live in Mumbai so i can check this out at some point, so fill me in on whats going on here,
dht blockers dont sit well with me so all alternatives are welcome

Multiplying cells - hair multiplication...(the holy hair grail)

And donor doubling, like what Gho does (or claims to do if you dont believe it)

[drnigams]

UK boy,
I can try to get lauster team and few others in ..i am not in direct contact with ziering, washenik and Naughton.The best experts to discusss HM will be biotechnologists and tissue engineers working in the field of hair stem cells.I keep getting mails from biotechs,i will definitely write to them about bald truth.Spencer could try to get in Washenik,Naughton and Ziering.I can write to dr prasad(indian doctor) with Hitzig,dr shah(indian doctor) with dr bernstien

I honestly don't know what to think about this whole Dr. Nigams thing but I do have to say I'm extremely impressed by his persistance to convince us all of his treatment. The amount of time he spends on the forum is admirable and it's a shame we don't get even 1% as much interaction from any other doctor working on any other treatment i.e Gho, Ziering, Washenik, Lauster etc. Although I give credit to Dr. Ziering who did used to try and visit the forum and who does regularly update through Spencer.

I also think that Dr. Nigams talks more sense than any other doctor we've encountered in that he states that in order to beat hairloss, those in the industry have to work TOGETHER. It feels like we on the forum are constantly saying this but those in hairloss research never want to listen. If doctor Nigams really is going to do what he says he is going to do then he's the best person to come along in a long time. Unfortunately there is the persistant nag that what he is suggesting seems too good to be true and he is just a complete fraudster. I think I tend to agree with what others are saying that if he can get the likes of someone lilke Lauster to come forward and confirm what he's been saying then I will have a lot more belief in him.

This really seems like something that Spencer should be getting involved in though, surely this is exactly what he should be doing in his role as 'Consumer Advocate'. Has he stated on the show that he plans to talk to Dr. Nigams or to confirm his claims? Surely with his contacts Spencer could find out whether or not Dr. Nigams really has been liasing with all these different people in the industry. We know he has contact with Dr. Ziering and Gail Naughton so surely he can find out if Histogen has been speaking with him as he states.

[Cob984]

This thread is too damn long to read, but whats the lowdown here? is this about PRP? or some new kind of procedure, and is it an alternative to trying to save hair using dht blockers?

I live in Mumbai so i can check this out at some point, so fill me in on whats going on here,
dht blockers dont sit well with me so all alternatives are welcome

[drnigams]

Neversay,
At present i am using only serum free growth factors which are absolutely safe as they are being used in normal wound healing ,these growth factors have been approved for the first stemcell therapeutic approval by FDA'S worldwide of the use of bone marrow stem cells.
All the growth factors are imported from US and are FDA USA approved,OBI had seen them and uploaded the pics on the other forum.
As i replied 1 month back that we will follow safety results of histogen serum complex ,with dose , type of wnt and the stand of FDA on the same.But before that we would like to see the difference it makes in the hair multiplication and differentiation of stemcells in the lab.
Neversay once a compound or molecule or protein is cleared for safety with osage ,indications,contraindications for use on humans for a particular therapeutic and or research purpose,it is the first company who has to do all the hard work,some molecules can be patented and others not,the subsequent companies automatically gets clearance much earlier or the same therapeutic usage,like you do not have to keep repeating the clinical trial of safety for every new company who launches a paracetamol molecule for pain management. It is the manufacturing pharma company who has to get the approval of use of wnt protiens for hair follicle neogenesis in vitro or vivo,than they can sell it to any doctor or instituition.
VISMODEGIB a drug which reduces tumourogenic potential of wnt protien got approval from US FDA on jan 2012.Manufactured by GENETICA pharma for the therapeutic use to treat basal cell carcinoma.

Histogens trial puts safety as the most important factor, as such they are conducting their trials to the rules of the FDA to demonstrate safety and efficacy. That doesnt mean that anyone can use wnts, bmps etc etc with no safety risks. But its good to know you will not be using wnts anytime soon.

[UK Boy]

I honestly don't know what to think about this whole Dr. Nigams thing but I do have to say I'm extremely impressed by his persistance to convince us all of his treatment. The amount of time he spends on the forum is admirable and it's a shame we don't get even 1% as much interaction from any other doctor working on any other treatment i.e Gho, Ziering, Washenik, Lauster etc. Although I give credit to Dr. Ziering who did used to try and visit the forum and who does regularly update through Spencer.

I also think that Dr. Nigams talks more sense than any other doctor we've encountered in that he states that in order to beat hairloss, those in the industry have to work TOGETHER. It feels like we on the forum are constantly saying this but those in hairloss research never want to listen. If doctor Nigams really is going to do what he says he is going to do then he's the best person to come along in a long time. Unfortunately there is the persistant nag that what he is suggesting seems too good to be true and he is just a complete fraudster. I think I tend to agree with what others are saying that if he can get the likes of someone lilke Lauster to come forward and confirm what he's been saying then I will have a lot more belief in him.

This really seems like something that Spencer should be getting involved in though, surely this is exactly what he should be doing in his role as 'Consumer Advocate'. Has he stated on the show that he plans to talk to Dr. Nigams or to confirm his claims? Surely with his contacts Spencer could find out whether or not Dr. Nigams really has been liasing with all these different people in the industry. We know he has contact with Dr. Ziering and Gail Naughton so surely he can find out if Histogen has been speaking with him as he states.

[neversaynever]

534623,
My approach to develop HM, hair doubling with stem cells, graft survival, aesthetic and density improvement on HT is very simple. I am little into research development but more into applied research. I dont want to become bankrupt intercytix HM company who had to sell itself to Aderans. Please understand lot of research scientist do not have hair transplant clinics and patients. My job is to buy or pick up from public domain on research work related to my field, if required communicate with these research scientists, test their research work and if it shows results, apply on my patients for what they have come to me. For eg., Dr.Roland Lauster and his team knows little about my hair multiplication and I know little about his development of bio-engineered hair follicle in-vitro. Now what is the harm if we both can agree to work together where I have easier regulations in India, chain of hair multiplication clinics and expanding across India and worldwide and since they are bio-technologists and their experience in the field of tissue engineering is much higher than me and their lab in which I am interested is much highly equipped and much superior than my lab.
To reach a cure for baldness, different experts are required for different roles. Its a team work. How can any of us with an average 14 hrs. of daily work can give justice to different steps of improvement in hair transplant, HM or any other cure for baldness.
So, please as a team like neversaynever, ironman, moopookoo, gc3, smurf, spencer, blake, obi, winston, didi, bill, drwashniek, dr zering give positive suggestions to improve HT, HM, Hiar Doubling so that we can reach cure for baldness.
This is not facebook. If you follow the above approach, I can get many experts to participate with us in this forum. Spencer also mentioned the same on one of his radio show that when the experts come on this forum, sceptics sway them away and on the other hand the same people want discussion and cure for baldness. Moopookoo has suggested me to ask Dr.Lauster's team to start participating in the forum. I'll definitely try to convince them. Lot of hair transplant doctors across the globe have been mailing me to know more about our HM techniques and want to partner with us. I can get many of them in the forum provided we have a decent, focused discussion towards cure of baldness. I spent one whole day for 20 plus pictures of the case studies for you'll although it also needs improvement, I am not sure whether you've seen that on 45th or 46th page.

Thats a good post, thanks for the info. I think many people think that you are the head scientist in the lab, but it adds more clarity to know that you focus on the applied research and trials.

[neversaynever]

Histogen serum complex, wherein they use wnt protiens have clinical trial (first phase of safety)approved by FDA 5 yrears back .WNT protiens will be used not before next six months in my HM,initial supply of wnt when i recieve will be to see it's efficacy in the samples in the lab,in the mean time we will speak to histogen on it's safety ,convince ourself,look into legalities before we actually start using on our patients with their consent as apart of medical procedure with autologous stemcells not as allogenic stemcell drug of HSC.

Histogens trial puts safety as the most important factor, as such they are conducting their trials to the rules of the FDA to demonstrate safety and efficacy. That doesnt mean that anyone can use wnts, bmps etc etc with no safety risks. But its good to know you will not be using wnts anytime soon.

[neversaynever]

neversaynever

are you going to get free HM treatment whn you visit in feb?

you are someone we can trust and community would thank you for that,

but if you think its too risky then dont do it, but inspect his patients and facilities

Im happy to visit, but would not have any procedures done because of safety and doubts (at the moment)

HM - proof that it works and safety concerns
Doubling - Proof that it works, because if it doesnt it will leave scars.

Like ironman just pointed out, messing with wnt pathways and other proteins can be very unsafe in the wrong hands. I dont think Dr nigam is here to put people at risk and dish out lies, but I have the same attitude towards aderans and histogen in terms of safety and proof.

The only thing in their favour is if their product doesnt work, they cant sell it....

This is a strange and frustrating situation!

[youngsufferer]

Either show us undeniable results or convince Lauster to publicly promote you and your methods. After that I think you'll have 90% of us on board with you. Nothing else really needs to be said.

[drnigams]

Histogen serum complex, wherein they use wnt protiens have clinical trial (first phase of safety)approved by FDA 5 yrears back .WNT protiens will be used not before next six months in my HM,initial supply of wnt when i recieve will be to see it's efficacy in the samples in the lab,in the mean time we will speak to histogen on it's safety ,convince ourself,look into legalities before we actually start using on our patients with their consent as apart of medical procedure with autologous stemcells not as allogenic stemcell drug of HSC.

[534623]

neversaynever

are you going to get free HM treatment whn you visit in feb?

but if you think its too risky then dont do it, but inspect his patients and facilities

Let me look ...

[...]
As on today my major focus is to directly inject progenitor stemcells into dormanting follicles,since there exists atleast a follicular structure.I am waiting to receive my order from USA of wnt protien,HEDGEHOG protien and few other growth factors.If DHT was the prime reason for hairloss ,replenishing the hair follicle receptors with anti DHT i.e finisteride would have cured baldness by now.

So NO! Playing around with Wnt proteins and sonic-hedgehog (shh) proteins - is not risky at all!


I think neversaynever is the proper candidate for such experiments.

[drnigams]

534623,
My approach to develop HM, hair doubling with stem cells, graft survival, aesthetic and density improvement on HT is very simple. I am little into research development but more into applied research. I dont want to become bankrupt intercytix HM company who had to sell itself to Aderans. Please understand lot of research scientist do not have hair transplant clinics and patients. My job is to buy or pick up from public domain on research work related to my field, if required communicate with these research scientists, test their research work and if it shows results, apply on my patients for what they have come to me. For eg., Dr.Roland Lauster and his team knows little about my hair multiplication and I know little about his development of bio-engineered hair follicle in-vitro. Now what is the harm if we both can agree to work together where I have easier regulations in India, chain of hair multiplication clinics and expanding across India and worldwide and since they are bio-technologists and their experience in the field of tissue engineering is much higher than me and their lab in which I am interested is much highly equipped and much superior than my lab.
To reach a cure for baldness, different experts are required for different roles. Its a team work. How can any of us with an average 14 hrs. of daily work can give justice to different steps of improvement in hair transplant, HM or any other cure for baldness.
So, please as a team like neversaynever, ironman, moopookoo, gc3, smurf, spencer, blake, obi, winston, didi, bill, drwashniek, dr zering give positive suggestions to improve HT, HM, Hiar Doubling so that we can reach cure for baldness.
This is not facebook. If you follow the above approach, I can get many experts to participate with us in this forum. Spencer also mentioned the same on one of his radio show that when the experts come on this forum, sceptics sway them away and on the other hand the same people want discussion and cure for baldness. Moopookoo has suggested me to ask Dr.Lauster's team to start participating in the forum. I'll definitely try to convince them. Lot of hair transplant doctors across the globe have been mailing me to know more about our HM techniques and want to partner with us. I can get many of them in the forum provided we have a decent, focused discussion towards cure of baldness. I spent one whole day for 20 plus pictures of the case studies for you'll although it also needs improvement, I am not sure whether you've seen that on 45th or 46th page.

Yeah ...

http://www.bernsteinmedical.com/resources/hair-restoration-papers/

... and?

Dr. Bernstein just mention the paper's TITLE, AUTHORS and WHERE (journal, textbook etc) can I find the FULL TEXT - but he doesn't publish the FULL TEXT on his website of OTHER researchers papers. But just because someone makes a long list of publications of other researchers publications on his website - it doesn't mean this person is fully aware about the CONTENT of all these publications - nor whether or not he is fully aware what this paper is all about in detail.

[didi]

neversaynever

are you going to get free HM treatment whn you visit in feb?

you are someone we can trust and community would thank you for that,

but if you think its too risky then dont do it, but inspect his patients and facilities

[didi]

give dr nigam a chance, im sure he is using dr lauster technology and thats a good thing, of course he will prbbly deny this but thats ok, as long as he keeps going in the right direction its fine


he wouldnt be risking his reputation and going this far if he has nothing

[534623]

534623,
Kindly go to resources section and click to hair restoration papers at drbernstienmedicalcentre.com. You will find many pages of research publications of last 10yrs ,mostly of research scientist other than dr bernstien.We all have a right to learn from each others work ...

Yeah ...

http://www.bernsteinmedical.com/resources/hair-restoration-papers/

... and?

Dr. Bernstein just mention the paper's TITLE, AUTHORS and WHERE (journal, textbook etc) can I find the FULL TEXT - but he doesn't publish the FULL TEXT on his website of OTHER researchers papers. But just because someone makes a long list of publications of other researchers publications on his website - it doesn't mean this person is fully aware about the CONTENT of all these publications - nor whether or not he is fully aware what this paper is all about in detail.