Histogen – TrichoScan analysis vs. side-by-side comparison

[lurker77]

No - no way!
Compare the pics of both trail subjects (S2018 vs S1016) again:



Subject 2018 IS definitely the same area, same trail subject. It’s simply obvious – actually at a glance. This is clearly not so with trail subject 1016, because WHERE are the existing terminal hairs/FU’s from the baseline pic in the 3 month pic?

Furthermore, a specific pattern/positioning of follicular units (FU’s) DOESN’T dramatically change not even after decades (like your nose - your nose will always be in the middle of your face!) – especially not that extreme just within 3 month (!!) as shown in the after pic of S1016. So again, where is the existing pattern/positioning of all EXISTING thick terminal hairs of the baseline pic in the 3 month pic? As you can SEE yourself, this is –of course- not so with trail subject S2018. S2018 neither changed its FU-pattern in general, nor a change of the positions of the existing terminal hairs/follicular units - what finally made a side-by-side comparision possible and pretty easy.

A certain pattern of follicular units is like a FINGERPRINT!
S1016 = NO MATCH!

Oh, Ironman.

[2020]

^ all of those problems could have been solved if Histogen just gave us a simple table instead of 8 pages of vague graphs:

                 3 months            6 months
Subject 1:         25%                  40%
Subject 2:         42%                  58%
Subject 3:         33%                  64%
...

now all we got is two data points from best possible results which have been exaggerated to the max...

[534623]

... could it not be argued that what is deemed to be FUs in the "wrong position" is actually just growth of new hair?

No - no way!
Compare the pics of both trail subjects (S2018 vs S1016) again:



Subject 2018 IS definitely the same area, same trail subject. It’s simply obvious – actually at a glance. This is clearly not so with trail subject 1016, because WHERE are the existing terminal hairs/FU’s from the baseline pic in the 3 month pic?

Furthermore, a specific pattern/positioning of follicular units (FU’s) DOESN’T dramatically change not even after decades (like your nose - your nose will always be in the middle of your face!) – especially not that extreme just within 3 month (!!) as shown in the after pic of S1016. So again, where is the existing pattern/positioning of all EXISTING thick terminal hairs of the baseline pic in the 3 month pic? As you can SEE yourself, this is –of course- not so with trail subject S2018. S2018 neither changed its FU-pattern in general, nor a change of the positions of the existing terminal hairs/follicular units - what finally made a side-by-side comparision possible and pretty easy.

A certain pattern of follicular units is like a FINGERPRINT!
S1016 = NO MATCH!

[SoClose]

I'm new here and not as well "researched" as some others. However, in the latest picture 534623 posted - thank you for your diligent efforts - could it not be argued that what is deemed to be FUs in the "wrong position" is actually just growth of new hair?

Please correct me if I'm wrong, or indeed if somebody has said this already.

[Artista]

534623, first of all i COMMEND you for your valiant efforts here. I'm not sure I understand why you would receive any personal criticisms here , but forums are what they are.

Regarding the HSC photos ,What has ALWAYS been an issue for me was the inaccurate positioning of these before and after shots.
You would THINK that a company like HSC would be very particular in how they would present their findings. To have the two S1016 images side by side in differing angles is unprofessional. Why they could not spend the LITTLE time it takes to correlate the images as you had is beyond me.

534623, I respect your point of view here but Ill have to disagree with you.
I am convinced that they are both of the same scalp study.
I do see the similarities. I know that we are all 'dying' from this waiting game (by all of the major companies) but we have no choice.
"Once you've become pessimistic , your already half beat."

[534623]

Quote from a German hair loss forum:

Falls Iron Man diesen Post still und heimlich mitliest dann würde ich dich bitten noch ein paar anderer Fotos von Histogen Ergebnissen zu analysieren: (S1016) gleich über deinen analysierten Bildern zum Beispiel …

Okay – we are still talking about the “proof photos” in this pdf-file:

http://www.histogen.com/downloads/sid_2012_HSC_Final.pdf

Here are the (enlarged) before/after pics of trail subject S1016, taken from the pdf-file:

First of all, I tried to rotate the pic on the right (45° CCW rotation) to get the pic in the almost same/correct position to the pic on the left - in an (vain) attempt to make a side-by-side comparison…

Anyway …

CONCLUSION
The pic on the right (3 month) – without any doubts – doesn’t show the same observation area. I assume that the pic on the right doesn’t even show a photo of the same trail subject/person.

[gutted]

You have to know, gutted is 1 of the 9 men (out of 10) who got results from it. Furthermore, it already worked great for him before TRX2 has been available at all!

trx2 released details of thier combo 3/4 months before they released the actual product, as soon as details of the ingreduients were released i bought the individual ingredients hence why i "thought" it worked "great" at the time just before release.

[534623]

you seem to promote TRX2 in every single thread. You're the only one who got any results from it.

You have to know, gutted is 1 of the 9 men (out of 10) who got results from it. Furthermore, it already worked great for him before TRX2 has been available at all!

[gutted]

2006:

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=10&threadid=55673&highlight_key=y

promising study from 2010:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21034532

^ this all has been discussed before. You haven't invented anything new.


not the point, you seem to promote TRX2 in every single thread. You're the only one who got any results from it.

where does the "stealing" come from??

all this knowlege is in the public domain for anyone to unearth, but making the connections, only the bright and intelligent can do...for the record i wasnt aware of that thread.

In fact, the reason why you are balding is already in the public domain, the dots havent been "scientifically" made!

im beginning to think you are some teen thats beginning to bald and desprateley trolling forums, looking for solutions to your "inevitable" future, and failing at that.

yes i praise trx2, others praise fin & minox, and like you praise eqoul and tb4, what is the problem? if im convinced im having results, its only natrual i will praise the product.

[2020]

lmao!!

10 char

2006:

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=10&threadid=55673&highlight_key=y

promising study from 2010:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21034532

^ this all has been discussed before. You haven't invented anything new.


not the point, you seem to promote TRX2 in every single thread. You're the only one who got any results from it.

[gutted]

wth did my previous post got deleted?

I wasn't promoting TB4. As I said, I was one of the last people to jump on the bandwagon and I'm saying it right now - it didn't work for me even though I spent $700+ buying a large dose.

folexen... no. I was only posting studies relating to EQUOL MOLECULE. I didn't even encourage anyone to buy it and I mentioned that I wouldn't buy it either since that 15mg dose or whatever was only able to block 20% of DHT or something and if you wanted to block more it would have gotten to be very pricey very fast.


YOU started your own thread praising TRX2 and then you decided to throw in two other items - MSM and Vitamin C. Those two not going to do much if anything. Did you steal that idea about Vitamin C from that HLH thread where someone posted a theory how MPB is an early sign of scurvy?

lmao!!

10 char

[2020]

tb4 and folexen! lol

wth did my previous post got deleted?

I wasn't promoting TB4. As I said, I was one of the last people to jump on the bandwagon and I'm saying it right now - it didn't work for me even though I spent $700+ buying a large dose.

folexen... no. I was only posting studies relating to EQUOL MOLECULE. I didn't even encourage anyone to buy it and I mentioned that I wouldn't buy it either since that 15mg dose or whatever was only able to block 20% of DHT or something and if you wanted to block more it would have gotten to be very pricey very fast.


YOU started your own thread praising TRX2 and then you decided to throw in two other items - MSM and Vitamin C. Those two not going to do much if anything. Did you steal that idea about Vitamin C from that HLH thread where someone posted a theory how MPB is an early sign of scurvy?

[gutted]

I was one of the last people on TB4 bandwagon so there was tons of discussion about it way before me. Oh, and even though I bought quite a large dose, it made no visible difference... I spent $700 on it btw. How about that?

tb4 and folexen! lol

[2020]

yes just like you are being paid by the tb4 people!!!

I was one of the last people on TB4 bandwagon so there was tons of discussion about it way before me. Oh, and even though I bought quite a large dose, it made no visible difference... I spent $700 on it btw. How about that?

[gutted]

is gutted being paid by TRX2 people or what? What is going on?

yes just like you are being paid by the tb4 people!!!