Histogen – TrichoScan analysis vs. side-by-side comparison

[Kirby_]

Sorry to interject so abruptly, but is Aderans similar to Histogen, ie injections of growth factors? I've heard practically nothing about Aderans apart from the name since I've been following these forums.

[534623]

The problem is this was a Phase I study with a 2cm2 treatment area,
making it very difficult to provide a decent macro photo.

We have to wait till Phase II ...

In fact, we ARE talking here about their Phase I/II (photo)results:

http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01501617

I think "Phase I/II" means that they, in addition, injected again into the same area after 6 weeks.

And here IS one of their (a few days ago) provided "decent macro photos":

http://ww1.prweb.com/prfiles/2012/10/18/10032346/S102M%20-%2024wk.jpg

To me, it seems that especially the temples of this guy look even densier in the BEFORE photo - what doesn't reflect their claims in their PR-web article.

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In fact, we ARE talking here about their Phase I/II (photo)results:

http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01501617

I think "Phase I/II" means that they, in addition, injected again into the same area after 6 weeks.

And here IS one of their (a few days ago) provided "decent macro photos":

http://ww1.prweb.com/prfiles/2012/10/18/10032346/S102M%20-%2024wk.jpg

To me, it seems that especially the temples of this guy look even densier in the BEFORE photo - what doesn't reflect their claims in their PR-web article.

the guy looks old = possible major fibrosis buildup, that will take quite some time to fix.

lets see a macro photo of a treated person who is in the early stage of hair loss.

there is some improvement, but i suspect those in the earlier stages will respond better.

[534623]

the guy looks old = possible major fibrosis buildup, that will take quite some time to fix.

lets see a macro photo of a treated person who is in the early stage of hair loss.

there is some improvement, but i suspect those in the earlier stages will respond better.

As you know, most guys lose their hair either very fast or very very slowly in their 20's - right? So, even Histogen's HSC would work, especially all those guys who start to lose their hair (aka "earlier stages"), Histogen themselves says ...

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/10/prweb10032346.htm

"Available non-surgical treatment options for alopecia focus on younger patients in the earlier stages of hair loss, with a primary purpose of retaining existing hair and supporting limited hair regrowth. This is not the trend seen in the clinical trials of HSC. In both the pilot and Phase I/II clinical trial, HSC treatment has shown efficacy across age groups, with subjects age 40-59 seeing cosmetically significant results beginning at 12 weeks, including a mean increase of 39% in terminal hairs and 19.4% in total hair count in this age group in the current trial."

So, what?

In other words, the real HORROR is, that especially those young guys, who need such product most, will NOT really profit from such a "hair stimulating complex" (IF the shit works at all).

But hooray! - I'm in the very early 40's, I WILL profit from Histogen and after having the HSC procedure, I will look like this ...

http://ww1.prweb.com/prfiles/2012/10/18/10032346/S102M%20-%2024wk.jpg

Hooray!

Seriously, I really speculated in the past with Histogen for at least my crown area (there are still LOTS of miniaturized hairs!) - but, NO WAY!

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As you know, most guys lose their hair either very fast or very very slowly in their 20's - right? So, even Histogen's HSC would work, especially all those guys who start to lose their hair (aka "earlier stages"), Histogen themselves says ...

for the record, the average person will start losing density age 16 or around the time hormonal fluctations occur due to puberty. It only becomes noticeable/apparent to the eye around the 20s when significant amounts of density is lost, at which point they act on this via treatments.

So, what?

In other words, the real HORROR is, that especially those young guys, who need such product most, will NOT really profit from such a "hair stimulating complex" (IF the shit works at all).

Of course they would.
People are being lead to believe this is a "cure", this is far from a cure - its a major step forward as a next gen treatment.
To me it looks like histogen wakes up follicles from dormancy (like minox) which is what most men 16-30 suffer from., it doesnt stop the balding process hence why things like this may or may not offer visible results for some people.

[534623]

for the record, the average person will start losing density age 16 or around the time hormonal fluctations occur due to puberty. It only becomes noticeable/apparent to the eye around the 20s when significant amounts of density is lost, at which point they act on this via treatments.

Unfortunately - I myself can confirm this. In fact, this is true.

You mentioned "puberty" - this is true too. In fact, lots of other "genetic things" start to ACT during this phase - not just hair loss (if you're predestinated for hair loss). In fact, during puberty, this is the timepoint where your body FINALLY starts to decide, whether or not you REALLY should become more male or rather female (even you already have a big set of balls in your trousers) - this is no joke.

Anyway, in THIS case (your and my examples), we are talking about REAL "Androgenetic Alopecia".

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Unfortunately - I myself can confirm this. In fact, this is true.

You mentioned "puberty" - this is true too. In fact, lots of other "genetic things" start to ACT during this phase - not just hair loss (if you're predestinated for hair loss). In fact, during puberty, this is the timepoint where your body FINALLY starts to decide, whether or not you REALLY should become more male or rather female (even you already have a big set of balls in your trousers) - this is no joke.

Anyway, in THIS case (your and my examples), we are talking about REAL "Androgenetic Alopecia".

no my view and your views are completeley different.

its the hormonal fluctuation (together with other factors that fluctuate through unknown pathways AND even via dht) occurring during puberty - not puberty itself. There is a genetical aspect but no "gentic destiny"

i think many people need to go back to the drawing board, even histogen, replicel, aderans, gho and even HT surgeons!

[534623]

no my view and your views are completeley different.

its the hormonal fluctuation (together with other factors that fluctuate through unknown pathways ...

oops, sorry, I forgot that you’re one of Whitfield’s camp – Whitfield, the guy who knew absolutely NOTHING about hair loss up to 2008, and who made THIS possible within 2 years:
[IMG]http://www.************/hair-loss/img/uploaded/2879_image1178.jpg[/IMG]

By the way – why didn’t Whitfield present his “9 of 10 men hair regrowth science” at the currently running ISHRS?

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oops, sorry, I forgot that you’re one of Whitfield’s camp – Whitfield, the guy who knew absolutely NOTHING about hair loss up to 2008, and who made THIS possible within 2 years:
[IMG]http://www.************/hair-loss/img/uploaded/2879_image1178.jpg[/IMG]

By the way – why didn’t Whitfield present his “9 of 10 men hair regrowth science” at the currently running ISHRS?

propietery info mate

you may be thanking him in a few years down the line, thats if you decide not to go ahead with your gho procedure and thank gho instead.

[yeahyeahyeah]

oops, sorry, I forgot that you’re one of Whitfield’s camp – Whitfield, the guy who knew absolutely NOTHING about hair loss up to 2008, and who made THIS possible within 2 years:
[IMG]http://www.************/hair-loss/img/uploaded/2879_image1178.jpg[/IMG]

By the way – why didn’t Whitfield present his “9 of 10 men hair regrowth science” at the currently running ISHRS?

Nor did gho

[534623]

Nor did gho

Gho is busy with curing hair loss people - and not interested in looking "how can I close a FUT strip wound".

[hairysituation]

Gho is busy with curing hair loss people - and not interested in looking "how can I close a FUT strip wound".

Curing hair loss people?
Can you back that up with some objective logic, instead of your well known selective/subjective logic?

[Kiwi]

Curing hair loss people?
Can you back that up with some objective logic, instead of your well known selective/subjective logic?

Until Gho shares his tricks with the hair loss community in the same way the hair loss community gave him FUE to build upon I will continue to hate Gho as should you.

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Until Gho shares his tricks with the hair loss community in the same way the hair loss community gave him FUE to build upon I will continue to hate Gho as should you.

gho has no tricks, the trick is your bodies regenerative capability.

if your not a good regenerator (which will be the case for most aggressive balders), then you will be screwed over by the procedure.

[534623]

gho has no tricks, the trick is your bodies regenerative capability.

if your not a good regenerator (which will be the case for most aggressive balders), then you will be screwed over by the procedure.

wow - you should publish your knowledge in a reputable scientific journal.

oops, i forgot to mention the most important point:
for "most aggressive balders" - only TRX2 works (at least for 9 out of 10 men and women)