Histogen show "cosmetic" results oct 2012 update

[Dan26]

So, you're talking about stem cell cures/treatments for (complex) organs like hair follicles - right?
Histogen is talking about embryonic stem cells and Replicel tries to cure hair loss with dermal sheath cup cells (DSCC) - right?

Nope – this is not what British geneticist and stem cell researcher Sir Martin J. Evans predicted in an interview recently.

Or do you think that, instead of Sir Evans, the people behind Histogen and Replicel should get

1) The Nobel Prize

2) and the Queen should confer a knighthood on them??

In other words, you trust them more than in so-called "Superstars of Science" ??

I didn't even read the article, but ain't it more about $$$ and business then science???

[yeahyeahyeah]

So, who plays the dice?
I think guys like Sir Evans play the dice ...

Whatever.

You always find an answer to everything.

You do know the scientists at histogen aren't exactly amatures.

[534623]

Albert Einstein when it came to Chaos theory is one such example. He said it could not work.

"God does not play dice." Chaos theory has not only shown Einstein to be correct on this point, but even in its infancy, it is a brilliant confirmation of the fundamental world view put forward by Marx and Engels over a hundred years ago.

So, who plays the dice?
I think guys like Sir Evans play the dice ...

[yeahyeahyeah]

So, you're talking about stem cell cures/treatments for (complex) organs like hair follicles - right?
Histogen is talking about embryonic stem cells and Replicel tries to cure hair loss with dermal sheath cup cells (DSCC) - right?

Nope – this is not what British geneticist and stem cell researcher Sir Martin J. Evans predicted in an interview recently.

Or do you think that, instead of Sir Evans, the people behind Histogen and Replicel should get

1) The Nobel Prize

2) and the Queen should confer a knighthood on them??

In other words, you trust them more than in so-called "Superstars of Science" ??

Scientists have known to be wrong.

Albert Einstein when it came to Chaos theory is one such example. He said it could not work.

You are a negative douche.

[Breaking Bald]

This thread is getting too big for its boots...people arguing about something that we hardly know about...it's pointless. We don't know how effective HSC will be yet, it MAY grow a full head of hair, it MAY not. What IS good is that we have companies working towards solutions, we need to hear from Histogen directly to find out what is going on.

I wish someone from Histogen could just give us some answers in plain English with no bullshit!

[534623]

Histogen's treatment will grow back cosmetically significant hair.
Replicel's treatment will immunize the regrown cosmetically significant hair from the damaging effects of DHT. These two treatments used together will be a true cure for hereditary hair loss.

So, you're talking about stem cell cures/treatments for (complex) organs like hair follicles - right?
Histogen is talking about embryonic stem cells and Replicel tries to cure hair loss with dermal sheath cup cells (DSCC) - right?

Nope – this is not what British geneticist and stem cell researcher Sir Martin J. Evans predicted in an interview recently.

Or do you think that, instead of Sir Evans, the people behind Histogen and Replicel should get

1) The Nobel Prize

2) and the Queen should confer a knighthood on them??

In other words, you trust them more than in so-called "Superstars of Science" ??

[Dan26]

Ok I am convinced now

VEGF, KGF and Follistatin. Explain to me how that is going to grow back a full head of hair!!!

[534623]

I will not start a Gho debate here, but letīs just say I donīt believe it for a second.

[blah blah blah ...]

Itīs not a perfect solution, but beggars canīt be choosers.

I understand ...

[yeahyeahyeah]

Wishful thinking, my friend. Histogen could work with maintaning, but they are years away. Aderans wonīt work, reallstically. I will not start a Gho debate here, but letīs just say I donīt believe it for a second.

However, OC seems promising, some users on ************ have reported good effects. But the safety profile is not yet established (topically), and there are very few people who have tried it.

I say the best approach today is a transplanted juvenile hairline with a hairpiece behind. I will use this approach, and get away from these forums. Of course itīs given that my transplant is sucessful, which is not certain at all.

Itīs not a perfect solution, but beggars canīt be choosers.

Depends on your rate of hairloss.

They guy with the HT earlier for example, my hair is noway as bad as his, and I am 27 now.


Say you are a NW2, and you receed slowly (yes it happens), with nothing becoming noticable past 30+, you can easily restore you hair and use histogen, which I think will be out in 2015.

[hairysituation]

The game will change if Aderans and Histogen report good results in 2013.

With Gho in the pipeline it is probably a good time to restore your NW1, the only thing stopping HT doctors is donor supply or the balding process accelerating.

Wishful thinking, my friend. Histogen could work with maintaning, but they are years away. Aderans wonīt work, reallstically. I will not start a Gho debate here, but letīs just say I donīt believe it for a second.

However, OC seems promising, some users on ************ have reported good effects. But the safety profile is not yet established (topically), and there are very few people who have tried it.

I say the best approach today is a transplanted juvenile hairline with a hairpiece behind. I will use this approach, and get away from these forums. Of course itīs given that my transplant is sucessful, which is not certain at all.

Itīs not a perfect solution, but beggars canīt be choosers.

[yeahyeahyeah]

1. Because the yield is pretty inconsistant when you are exceeding 50 grafts pr square centimeter. This is at least the case with ONE treatment. I do believe that yield become more consistant regarding dense packing with multiplie treatments.

But make no mistakes, the best clinics can get pretty consistant results even with dense packing in one treatment.

2. Also, many clinics think it´s unethical to make a dense juvenile hairline. The old supply vs. demand issue.

3. The fear of the hairline becoming "unatural" as the patient gets older. (I personally think this argument is a lot of bullcrap)

The game will change if Aderans and Histogen report good results in 2013.

With Gho in the pipeline it is probably a good time to restore your NW1, the only thing stopping HT doctors is donor supply or the balding process accelerating.

[hairysituation]

I wonder why more HTs are not like that, that result seems like the exception, not the norm.

1. Because the yield is pretty inconsistant when you are exceeding 50 grafts pr square centimeter. This is at least the case with ONE treatment. I do believe that yield become more consistant regarding dense packing with multiplie treatments.

But make no mistakes, the best clinics can get pretty consistant results even with dense packing in one treatment.

2. Also, many clinics think it´s unethical to make a dense juvenile hairline. The old supply vs. demand issue.

3. The fear of the hairline becoming "unatural" as the patient gets older. (I personally think this argument is a lot of bullcrap)

[2020]

If you notice every other pharmaceutical treatment for hair loss (whether topical or per-oral) requires at least once daily dosing. For topicals it's usually twice a day.

Histogen is a sub-epidermal injection which is ESSENTIALLY a topical.

Why did they choose this rather weird method of application -- injecting chemicals into the skin -- rather than a topical lotion?

is it really? If so then that would explain why they're doing injections first - they don't trust people with topicals

[yeahyeahyeah]

That hairline is a little *too* perfect. Although I'd rather have that than what I got now, but I think the one you posted before is much better.

Its incredible what some HT doctors can do.....

I wonder why more HTs are not like that, that result seems like the exception, not the norm.

[yeahyeahyeah]

Ya bro i was saying that WITHOUT a HT it is unlikely to go back to your teenage hairline. Something like histogen can only take you so far, a HT for the frontal area/headline if you want that teenage hairline back lol.

And btw I hate how HT places take before photos with different lighting, background, facial expression of patient lol, it annoys the shit outta me

That guy looked so happy with his new teenage hairline, than again, I would be too!