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wow desmond you've made me even more interested in this stuff, seems really easy to get a hold of/make
still though i want to see what people experience from it!
still though i want to see what people experience from it!
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I'm waiting being a Norwood one I don't wanna shed all my hair?Comment
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Same here. If by Christmas time results are still positive and there is still a buzz around this stuff, I'll be giving it a go. The next 6-8 months will be my last stand against the (possibly) inevitable shaved head/more facial hair look...
Which I will tell everyone is by choice, of course : )Comment
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Love your work, Desmond, you're a hero! I want to try this on just one side of my scalp so I can really compare results. The hairs of they grow in will only be visible to myself unless they reeeeeaally start going terminal, at which point I'll add the other side too!OK guys, I've done a bit of research to see how would you go about making a topical Cetrizine.
So, this is what I found: Cetrizine is completely water-soluble, which is awesome!
To make a topical preparation, you need:
1) Aloe Vera gel
2) Propylene glycol (would significantly help with epidermal absorption. If you can't get your pharmacist to get you some, look at the ingredients in your Aloe vera gel and make sure there's some Propylene glycol in there )
3) 2x Zyrtec tablets
4) 8 mL of water
5) 2 mL of ethanol
Now, you have to crush 2x Zyrtec tablets and dissolve it in 8 mL of water. Please note, these tablets are made up of fillers, which don't dissolve and will sediment, so stir it for a good minute and ignore what's actually sedimented to the bottom undissolved.
Next, you add 2 mL of ethanol + 2 mL of Propylene glycol and stir vigorously again!
Now, each night before you go to bed, you syringe out 3mL from the solution you've prepared and pour it into a cup. Then add some Aloe vera gel and stir again. Once it looks mixed, dab all of it onto your balding/thinning areas!
and Voila you're done!
The great thing about Aloe vera gel is fast rate of absorption particularly in hairy areas of the body
A couple of questions though... Where is the best place for the average joe to buy PG and ethanol? Also, if this stuff is completely water soluble, what is the point of them? Is it just to help with evaporation?
If so, could you theoretically just put the water solution in an aloe gel and forget the PG & ethanol?Comment
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Ethanol
Ethanol hardware store
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Ah, your instructions were for a single application. Makes perfect sense, as 60 pills would equal a one month supply at 10mgs a day. Thanks again. I checked the German board and there were a lot of pics up but I couldn't view them! From what they said it appeared that shedding has stopped and vellus hairs are popping up, but again no huge gains. Remember that the German who experienced the incredible growth was combining Cet with minox and a third treatment I believe, something that started with a P. At this point though I am focused solely on maintenance and if it stops shedding I will be content with or without regrowth.Hey Conpecia, yeah I meant 2 pills.
Also, the maximum oral dose per day for Zyrtec is 10mg daily. If you follow what I said, you'd be putting 5mg on your scalp every night, which is a decent amount.
But if you wanna use the maximum dose possible you can crush up 4 tablets and dissolve it in the same amount of water (8mL), ethanol (2mL) and Propylene Glycol (2mL). Then measure out 3 mL as explained and voila
I just thought, that since its a topical, you don't need to use the maximum dose. But don't crush up any more than that. Even though Zyrtec is a very safe drug, using high doses will have unpredictable effects on your liver and kidneys. I'm just trying to make sure that ppl don't harm themselves due to false information on these forums.
PS. Did they say how much solution they're using to dissolve the 60 tablets in?Comment
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Minoxidil
Since I'm already on minoxidil why can't I add Zyrtec tablets to minoxidil 60 ml?Comment
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I wouldn't get too excited just because 1 guy from Germany claims to have had good results from it. It's not very scientifically accurate just 1 guy's possible experiences.
Unless I mis-read the posts on him he supposedly started on Minoxidil not too long before he started experimenting with this. When I started on minoxidil I had a huge shed for just over 2 months and then massive re-growth up until about month 7.
If this guy is getting a re-growth and is also on minoxidil then surely isn't it reasonable to assume that it's the Minoxidil causing his re-growth. After all Minoxidil has been FDA approved to give re-growth in some of its users (I for one am one of them)Comment
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I agree that it's too early to tell if we're really on to something here, but there are several other accounts of decreased shedding and mild regrowth, many of which were made by people not on minox. Casperz for example is not on minox and is showing photographs of mild regrowth of terminal hairs in areas that have been bald for years. I for one am not expecting some cure from this, I'm only hoping it may slow down or stop my shedding until Histogen et al come to market.
However, I am stating firmly that this is bigger than some lone German dude getting minox regrowth.Comment
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That's good to hear you have so much faith in it conpecia.
You have to admit though it's funny the idea of a load of guys crushing up their hayfever tablets and rubbing it in to their head every night. I hope for their sakes that it works.Comment
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I don't think anybody is getting too excited. We're way too cynical by this stage for that, we've seen the snake oil cures come and just as quickly fade into oblivion.
But this is a readily available product that's easy to prepare and apply, with at least some anecdotal evidence that it works and a strong theoretical backing for it working (PGD2 inhibition).
The other big thing it has going for it is, nobody is trying to sell us anything, so that takes the whole commercial aspect out of it. No dodgy photos under different lights or website testimonials trying to get us to buy the product, these guys reporting their results don't make a dime because we buy Zyrtec from a pharmacy.
Also, the guy on minox had been on it for 12 months before starting this treatment so any growth should have stabilised (also you very rarely if ever hear of terminal hairs growing at the hairline in slick bald areas with minox).
The one thing I am worried about (since I gave up on minox) is that there is a theory that minox works as a sort of proxy PGE stimulator like bimatoprost - and if that is true, it may be that you need both cetirizine AND minox to get growth. Suppress PGD2 and stimulate PGE.
That would be something else for me to try, if I could be arsed - one side just cetirizine and one side minox and cet. But I really can't be bothered with twice a day application of anything these days.Comment
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Zyrtec
Well I'm going to buy generic Zyrtec, is there any point crushing them in minoxidil ? Or not?Comment
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