Hidden Gem -> MSM/Vit C & TRX2 - a fin alternative?

[Jcm800]

Sailing into the unknown with this on the goodship gutted. Hmm, I do think my existing hair is growing at a faster rate, don't think it's thickening up though, its a waiting game folks as usual.

[b0urna]

guys, been away. not had time to read up on whats going on.

anyway to answer your question yes im still on the trx2, i plan on taking trx2 for one more year and then dropping it and maintain what i have with msm/C.

As for my hair its improving (diffuse areas filling in), but at a steady slow pace.

Thanks, that's exactly what I wanted to know. What Norwood are you btw? Sorry for all the questions, but I think a lot of us are curious as there aren't many reports of MSM being used to treat MBP, and those that have used it are also applying other treatments. It's hard for us to just drop all proven DHT inhibitors and/or growth stimulants in favour of an experimental treatment that 'may' work in 6-12months time, for a lot of us that's a few norwood scales lost if this treatment doesn't work.
Personally I have faith in this, having experienced a lot of the effects you have described, also I think MSM acts as a thickener in my conditioner so making my hair look better while it (hopefully) grows/maintains is always a benefit!
Is anyone else applying topically?

[Irishamerica]

Thanks, that's exactly what I wanted to know. What Norwood are you btw? Sorry for all the questions, but I think a lot of us are curious as there aren't many reports of MSM being used to treat MBP, and those that have used it are also applying other treatments. It's hard for us to just drop all proven DHT inhibitors and/or growth stimulants in favour of an experimental treatment that 'may' work in 6-12months time, for a lot of us that's a few norwood scales lost if this treatment doesn't work.
Personally I have faith in this, having experienced a lot of the effects you have described, also I think MSM acts as a thickener in my conditioner so making my hair look better while it (hopefully) grows/maintains is always a benefit!
Is anyone else applying topically?

hey did you just pour a few grams of the msm into your conditoner ?? i have also heard of people putting it in a water bottle with destilled water and rinsing there hair in it ..Has any tried this ?

[Cob984]

wanted to ask all you guys here, is anyone maintaining with this?
has anyone been on this combo long enough to say yes, their hair is getting no worse?
i know you guys are seeing less itch etc but anything else?

[Jcm800]

Tbh no I'm not maintaining, it's growing faster it seems, but I'm seeing more scalp here and there. Been on it over three months and trx alone around 8 months.
Still optimistic tho and open minded, it's hard tho.

[Cob984]

this is exactly what im noticing too, i am worried the msm is giving a false illusion that all is under control because of longer hair and more styling options, but when im in the shower with wet hair i can see a much grimmer picture

[Jcm800]

Hmm im running out of styling options and have been contemplating a damn buzz cut for the first time in a very long time. BUT, The little area I've mentioned before - centre parting still has small signs of renewed activity so I'm clinging to the hope that it's a positive sign..

[StayThick]

Although Gutted sounds intelligent and his combo seems like it could work...I think it's a lost cause people. I have been on this combo (msm, vitC, TRX2) for only 1 month so I can't speak for it's true effectiveness...BUT I can tell after only 1 month the illusion of it working is showing itself by simply just growing my DHT resistant sides and back extremely quick, yet leaving the top (MPB areas) thin and lifeless. In fact, the combo is growing my hair so quick after just 1 month I look retarded because of the texture and color difference between the sides and top of my head...

For the first time in my life I had my barber say he had to cut the sides shorter then usual because the color and texture is more darker and thicker then the top and that it looks ridiculous, so he needed to adjust. My heart sank and realized all the money, all the effort, all the dedication I have put in to save my hair the last 4 years is coming to slow end. I am sure some could relate, as today was disheartening for me. It only validated that my MPB is progressing and nothing is slowing it down.

I appreciate gutted bringing this combo to the table and like everything else I have tried, I will do this for 1 year...but as of NOW..the only thing I see is thickening, darkening, and a quick growing rate of my DHT resistant hair, yet the slow progression of the entire top of head continuing. Sorry for the rant fellas', but I feel I'm a good looking dude and it's an effin shame going bald will strip my looks and youth from me. This combo works great for people NOT GOING BALD IMHO ...Rant done...depressing.

[Jcm800]

I think StayThick has summed this up pretty well. gutted is a clever guy, but not sure this is going to save our asses.

[bananana]

I don't know what to say guys.

If less itch and less oil (less dandruff) doesn't mean anything, then this does nothing. I don't see a change in my hair density, BUT I "kind of" see the hairs are thicker at the scalp area than they are at the top - but that just might be normal, I don't know.

I see that in hairs that are 5-7 cm long, meaning they started growing before I started with msm.

I believe there is something to this, and I'm going to stick with it, I hope to see more results at 6 months and 1 year mark. It's been just 2.5 months for now.

[StuckInARut]

Just like anything else used for hair loss it's a waiting game and requires patience unfortunately. I take 4g each of MSM/Vitamin C daily and have not noticed much change with my hair however the benefits throughout the rest of my body has been simply amazing. It's only been about 2.5 months for me so far so I plan to stick it out for at least 6 to see if my scalp responds. If not I will just lower my daily dose to around 2g each just for whole body maintenance since I see those positive results.

[gutted]

Thanks, that's exactly what I wanted to know. What Norwood are you btw? Sorry for all the questions, but I think a lot of us are curious as there aren't many reports of MSM being used to treat MBP, and those that have used it are also applying other treatments. It's hard for us to just drop all proven DHT inhibitors and/or growth stimulants in favour of an experimental treatment that 'may' work in 6-12months time, for a lot of us that's a few norwood scales lost if this treatment doesn't work.
Personally I have faith in this, having experienced a lot of the effects you have described, also I think MSM acts as a thickener in my conditioner so making my hair look better while it (hopefully) grows/maintains is always a benefit!
Is anyone else applying topically?

i was originally nw2 diffuse, however the diffuseness is filling in slowly.
Yes i understand its difficult to drop proven dht inhibitors, but not using them is paramount for the combo to be successful. Also i must stress the importance of time with the combo. Stop obsessing about your hair every day, instead every 3 months track progress, take pictures, run your hands through your hair to see what the density was like pre and after the combo and if its improving.

The only thing i can say msm/C is good for - is maintaining what you have and no further loss from baseline, of course this must be used alone without dht inhibitors to visibilly witness this effect.

bear in mind with the combo you WILL shed hair (at normal acceptable levels) you WILL NOT lose hair, there is a differnece between shed & lose so if you see hairs falling out in the shower it will eventually be at normal levels. This should not in anyway dishearten you that the combo is not working.

[gutted]

Although Gutted sounds intelligent and his combo seems like it could work...I think it's a lost cause people. I have been on this combo (msm, vitC, TRX2) for only 1 month so I can't speak for it's true effectiveness...BUT I can tell after only 1 month the illusion of it working is showing itself by simply just growing my DHT resistant sides and back extremely quick, yet leaving the top (MPB areas) thin and lifeless. In fact, the combo is growing my hair so quick after just 1 month I look retarded because of the texture and color difference between the sides and top of my head...

For the first time in my life I had my barber say he had to cut the sides shorter then usual because the color and texture is more darker and thicker then the top and that it looks ridiculous, so he needed to adjust. My heart sank and realized all the money, all the effort, all the dedication I have put in to save my hair the last 4 years is coming to slow end. I am sure some could relate, as today was disheartening for me. It only validated that my MPB is progressing and nothing is slowing it down.

I appreciate gutted bringing this combo to the table and like everything else I have tried, I will do this for 1 year...but as of NOW..the only thing I see is thickening, darkening, and a quick growing rate of my DHT resistant hair, yet the slow progression of the entire top of head continuing. Sorry for the rant fellas', but I feel I'm a good looking dude and it's an effin shame going bald will strip my looks and youth from me. This combo works great for people NOT GOING BALD IMHO ...Rant done...depressing.

you were recently on saw palmetto right?

dht suppression will affect you in a negative way. You need to allow 3 months for this to balance out and then TIME just make sure your still on the msm.

[gutted]

guys,

For those using it alone patience is a virtue.

monitor your situation every 3 months, time is very important here. Chances are you do not have any other option availble to you (fin+minox is out of the question) so you would go bald anyway, give the regime a solid chance, you have nothing to lose.

For those on dht suppressors - ive already stated you should not expect visbile results.

Visibile results dictate that the combo/or any treatment is working (for most of you anyway) others will have invisibile results of decreased oil output and itching...is there really any point in carrying on if your not seeing the visible results you crave??

once you drop the dht suppressors this becomes a very very long process. Will probably take around 18 months to fully see what msm/C will do for you guys.

[gutted]

.. Feels like you are over complicating the explanation. Simply put, do you feel this combo with the trx2 can turn vellous hairs terminal?

yes i believe trx2 does work to reactivate dormant/vellus hairs although the potency of trx2 is questionable to have any efficacy in the temporal regions. Best results are obtained in the scalp/mid sections and quite possibly in the frontal regions just behind the hairiline. One thing i have noticed with trx2/msm/c is my centre parting was diffuse and widening, now it has almost filled in with the exception of the frontal region area, i will monitor activity here and see what happens in a few months time.

IMO MSM/C is what stops mpb. You do not need to use trx2 if you dont want the regrowth.