Hidden Gem -> MSM/Vit C & TRX2 - a fin alternative?

[gutted]

Gutted - have you done this, is there any photographic images showing cosmetic improvements?

i have photos but wouldnt post online, the difference is only partially visible in the photos anyway. When running my hands through my hair, the denseness is there. You'll have to believe in my judgement.

A couple of years ago there was a thing called "ozbrew" which was a mixture of minox, arginine and dmso. Dmso is related to msm. Those people trying it reported some good results. Dmso is said to reduce cox 2 levels, its probably one of the reasons why people had some very good results.

Dimethyl sulfoxide (DMSO) attenuates the inflammatory response in the in vitro intestinal Caco-2 cell model.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21878375

It may even help with fibrosis.

If you still have oily dandruff and an itch,the msm and vit c will sort it out internally within 3/4 weeks. You dont have to wait long for this result. Once this is sorted shed levels should start to reduce within 3/6 months.
If you want some regrowth add the tx2 ingredients.

Like i said earlier, this WILL be percieved by people on dht blockers to NOT work. hence why i do not recommend those people try it. Although if you are on them and you think they are not working, and have hairs in the last cycle it will keep them active and prevent them from going into dormancy, so its worth taking just to keep hairs active.
For those that are coming off them you need to wait before hormones balance out which can take 1/3 months to see results mentioned in my first post, you will go through sheds, but NOT losses IF you stay on this combo since dropping, or else your hairs will go dormant.

As for shampooing, i reccomend tgel and not niz, since it may be harsh for some. Niz 1% may be ok though.

[gutted]

4 grams, pretty cool. I'm all about megadosing Vitamin C. I've done it for a few recent colds, and it seemed to help quite a bit. It could be placebo, but it's too cheap and harmless for me to care. I've been thinking about doing it every day. Sounds like I should, and I should add MSM to it.

FYI, I think I have heard that the half-life of Vit. C in the bloodstream is pretty short. Thirty minutes, if I remember right. If your intention is to keep levels high in your bloodstream, you might want to take a few 2 gram doses throughout the day instead, but I'm not sure what your intent is. And doing it that way, you should keep in mind that Vit. C competes with copper for absorption.

Very good post though. First interesting thing I've seen on here since probably the last Histogen release or that PGD2 hullabaloo.

cool, you should definiteley try it out! start off with 3grams msm and rise to 9grams. You may experience some detox symptoms whilst on them for a short while.

[Davey Jones]

What exactly is TRX2 anyway? I looked over their website, but right off the bat I noticed the niacin. In trying to figure out which kind, I saw the statement "Other names for Niacin include Vitamin B3, Vitamin PP, nicotinic acid and nicotinamide."

Nicotinic acid and nicotinamide are different though, and anyone who has taken a lot of nicotinic acid at one time can tell you exactly how different it is from nicotinamide. Basically though, it makes it hard to trust what the site says for them to act like those things are synonyms. What's the real skinny on this TRX2? What is in it that's important?

[gutted]

What exactly is TRX2 anyway? I looked over their website, but right off the bat I noticed the niacin. In trying to figure out which kind, I saw the statement "Other names for Niacin include Vitamin B3, Vitamin PP, nicotinic acid and nicotinamide."

Nicotinic acid and nicotinamide are different though, and anyone who has taken a lot of nicotinic acid at one time can tell you exactly how different it is from nicotinamide. Basically though, it makes it hard to trust what the site says for them to act like those things are synonyms. What's the real skinny on this TRX2? What is in it that's important?

nicotinic acid is the kind you are looking for.

If you are trying the trx2 ingredients, you need to buy as close to the ratios as possible.

I really have no clue whats important in it,as a hunch it MAY be the l carnitine, although probably they ALL work together like the msm and vit c with each other.
I have no idea, but what i do know for sure it brings vellus hairs out of dormancy BUT does not STOP mpb hence why some people continue to GROW hair on the trx2 but LOSE hairs to mpb - the shed rate VS growth rate is out of sync giving the impression that its not working.

Try this combo, and give it 12 months, however you should notice some results earlier.

[Davey Jones]

You may experience some detox symptoms whilst on them for a short while.

Such as? I just read around some other forums, and some dude claimed he got small boils with little floating white things inside. That sounds...I guess nothing less than terrifying.

He a kook?

[gutted]

Such as? I just read around some other forums, and some dude claimed he got small boils with little floating white things inside. That sounds...I guess nothing less than terrifying.

He a kook?

minor headaches.

[Davey Jones]

What do you think of this, gutted?

http://www.amazon.com/Methylsulfonylmethane-Powder-99-95%25-Supplied-HerbStoreUSA/dp/B0045STZXQ/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1348063409&sr=8-10&keywords=MSM

I already take considerable amount of cayenne, turmeric, and creatine as powders, so it really wouldn't seem like a hassle to me. It's essentially one-thousand 1000mg pills for only double the cost of two-hundred 1000mg pills.

I also see the same thing (1kg of MSM powder) for about the same price from Jarrow's Formula and Hard Rhino. I buy Toco-sorb from Jarrow's and used to buy caffeine from Hard Rhino. They both seem pretty legit.

[gutted]

What do you think of this, gutted?

http://www.amazon.com/Methylsulfonylmethane-Powder-99-95%25-Supplied-HerbStoreUSA/dp/B0045STZXQ/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1348063409&sr=8-10&keywords=MSM

I already take considerable amount of cayenne, turmeric, and creatine as powders, so it really wouldn't seem like a hassle to me. It's essentially one-thousand 1000mg pills for only double the cost of two-hundred 1000mg pills.

I also see the same thing (1kg of MSM powder) for about the same price from Jarrow's Formula and Hard Rhino. I buy Toco-sorb from Jarrow's and used to buy caffeine from Hard Rhino. They both seem pretty legit.

Should be ok as long as it is pure and convenient for you.

Bear in mind the other stuff you are taking may affect the efficacy of msm/vitc/trx2. Its best to take only this combo alone.

[MrBlonde]

Like i said earlier, this WILL be percieved by people on dht blockers to NOT work. hence why i do not recommend those people try it. Although if you are on them and you think they are not working, and have hairs in the last cycle it will keep them active and prevent them from going into dormancy, so its worth taking just to keep hairs active.
For those that are coming off them you need to wait before hormones balance out which can take 1/3 months to see results mentioned in my first post, you will go through sheds, but NOT losses IF you stay on this combo since dropping, or else your hairs will go dormant.

Gutted, for those ppl on DHT blockers you suggest adding MSM to the regime to stop hairs shutting down but there is no point adding TRX2 as the DHT blockers will cloud results and you wont see regrowth.

Why would blocking DHT and adding TRX2 hinder regrowth? If anything it should help because your promoting regrowth with TRX2 alongside an agent that also blocks the hairloss cause. If it worked for you it doesn't make it the golden combo. Biologically we are all different and another combination may work for someone else.

Do you think this is a good MSM product?

http://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-liquid-glucosamine-chondroitin-and-optimsm

What are the other TRX2 ingredients someone would have to buy to simulate TRX2?

You also bought Neogenic from Loreal to use on your hairline. Is you combo not stopping shedding/loss in this area?

[Ted]

Such as? I just read around some other forums, and some dude claimed he got small boils with little floating white things inside. That sounds...I guess nothing less than terrifying.

He a kook?

Did he get them from MSM? Did it get better with time?

[gutted]

Gutted, for those ppl on DHT blockers you suggest adding MSM to the regime to stop hairs shutting down but there is no point adding TRX2 as the DHT blockers will cloud results and you wont see regrowth.

Why would blocking DHT and adding TRX2 hinder regrowth? If anything it should help because your promoting regrowth with TRX2 alongside an agent that also blocks the hairloss cause. If it worked for you it doesn't make it the golden combo. Biologically we are all different and another combination may work for someone else.

msm/vitc alone is probably enough to stop any further loss, i only suggest adding the trx2 to bring dormant hairs back to those that want more regrowth/density.

The consequences of blocking dht hinders the efficacy because of reflex hyperandorgenicty (controvercial topic, but i bleieve in it). Most people continue to experinece "sheds" whilst on dht blockers because of the hormonal fluctations doing this causes, hence why i DO NOT recommend it for any sort of visible/cosmetic benefit other than keeping hairs active and preventing dormancy. <- this is the ONLY beneift you will get from this combo, hardly any visibile results, which we all want.
These "sheds" mean more hairs are being lost/shedded impacting the "shed rate VS the growth rate" tipping the balance in favour of the shed rate and will appear to the user as not working.



I fully iunderstand people are different but then again I certainly believe its a golden combo and WILL work for everyone. You should try it exactly as stated and i do belive you will see results like i have seen.

The first results in order are -
1 - reduced oily dandruff and itchiness - approx 3/4 weeks in
2 - reduced shed rate - approx 2/3/4 months in
3 - improved density - 6/9/12 months in
4 - stableisation of mpb

Do you think this is a good MSM product?

http://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-liquid-glucosamine-chondroitin-and-optimsm

The one you linked to contains a few other ingredients. I use this one ->

http://www.amazon.com/Doctors-Best-1500-Tablets-120-Count/dp/B000NRXNRC

Tablets or capsules, shouldnt really matter as long as its pure.

What are the other TRX2 ingredients someone would have to buy to simulate TRX2?

the ingredients in trx2 are available on the site, the ratios need to be as close as possible.

You also bought Neogenic from Loreal to use on your hairline. Is you combo not stopping shedding/loss in this area?

It has done, but results are slow in this region. I experienced some sheds after trying and dropping some other supplements, hence why i MAY have shed in this region affecting my results.
my addition of neogenic was to compound the results that im getting now, but even then any results i experience with neogenic i will attribute to my combo and not neogenic.

[gutted]

Did he get them from MSM? Did it get better with time?

This is minor, i may have got some pimples, but they dissappeared within a few days. I remember i got headaches. The best thing to do would be to slowly up your dosage of msm.

3grams, then 6 grams, and then stick with 9 grams.

[new bubble]

This is minor, i may have got some pimples, but they dissappeared within a few days. I remember i got headaches. The best thing to do would be to slowly up your dosage of msm.

3grams, then 6 grams, and then stick with 9 grams.

I can vouch for this MSM regime, for me personally I was shedding lots of hair over the last two months, after talking to Gutted he recommended MSM along with TGEL shampoo. Within two weeks shedding had slowed down a fair amount. So I will personally stick with it for the next twelve months.

[MrBlonde]

I can vouch for this MSM regime, for me personally I was shedding lots of hair over the last two months, after talking to Gutted he recommended MSM along with TGEL shampoo. Within two weeks shedding had slowed down a fair amount. So I will personally stick with it for the next twelve months.

Sounds promising.

I think i'll jump aboard.

Gutted and co. would you recommend this type of MSM?

https://www.hollandandbarrett.ie/pages/categories.asp?cid=37&searchterm=msm&rdcnt=1

Its the only one I could buy today without having to order online.

[new bubble]

Sounds promising.

I think i'll jump aboard.

Gutted and co. would you recommend this type of MSM?

https://www.hollandandbarrett.ie/pages/categories.asp?cid=37&searchterm=msm&rdcnt=1

Its the only one I could buy today without having to order online.

below is where i got mine from, this link was sent to me by gutted. I don't think he'll mind

http://www.bodykind.com/product/289_...000mg-Capsules