List of treatments and which one you think will actually work?

[Maradona]

Spencer did a few interviews with Histogen, I recommend you listen to all of them in their entirety.

Histogen did inject in slick bald spots, and got regrowth. Just listen to interviews, great inside info.

Just listened to the interview, had trouble understanding it.

But it seems this stuff is very far away from our hands.

I just read their studies and it says in the conclusion that the treatment was more efficient in diffuse thinners, non balding areas.

We can't risk going slick norwood 7s. We must use something to halt our hairloss until this stuff goes to market of course avoiding possible side effects.

Hopefully 2020 can save our asses because all we got right now is RU taking Fin and minox out the equation.

Again, this doctor said a date? when will we get a date?

[Sogeking]

Actually if Replicel succeeds at one thing and that is immunization of hair follicles from DHT sensitivity then we might be talking about something. Despite their results have they proven their theory that by injecing DSC cells they are making hair follicles prone to minituarization and DHT attack, immune to DHT. Meaning have they managed to make the hair follicles on top of the scalp resistant to DHT?
If they succeed at that alone, regardless of amount of terminal hair grown that would be a huge step forward.
However I am very suspicous of that.

[Tracy C]

efficacy and effectiveness of Gho's method been validated, confirmed and confessed. nothing more to discuss really...

That is not true.

Replicel been found out and exposed. last I heard they shut up shop for good, pay them no mind...

That is not true in any way, shape or form.

[Conpecia]

2012-15 is going to be a god damn millennium for us. No way I can make it that long on current treatments. I pray Gho's technique improves and also spreads in the next year or so. I pray for Histogen. CB. Replicel. Anything. The day I can stop worrying about baldness will be among the greatest days of my life.

What happened to that kid gc83uk, the Gho patient? It's been months since I saw an update from him. We need some positive results to keep hope...

[rdawg]

2012-15 is going to be a god damn millennium for us. No way I can make it that long on current treatments. I pray Gho's technique improves and also spreads in the next year or so. I pray for Histogen. CB. Replicel. Anything. The day I can stop worrying about baldness will be among the greatest days of my life.

What happened to that kid gc83uk, the Gho patient? It's been months since I saw an update from him. We need some positive results to keep hope...

It really is a long time, I'm in my early 20's right now and have been losing my hair since around 18 although I finally went on propecia recently with no side affects yet(im a NW3 so it's not TERRIBLE yet but quite noticeable)

those with Moderate hair loss should at least be on minoxdil or propecia to tide them over for a few years as there's no guarentee these treatments will turn NW7's to NW1's but id say there's a good chance that moderate hairloss can be reversed in the near future.

I have high hopes though as this industry is a potential billion dollar industry and numerous companies are researching it. Not to mention that our hair only miniaturizes rather than dies off so you have to think a eureka kind of cure/moment will be coming soon. It's all a matter of stimulating these cells and making sure their permanent. We're not looking for something that's impossible, we're looking for something that's there, we just haven't fully found it yet!

Very excited to see more results from Histogen, Replicel etc. I think seeing any kind of product go to phase III will help tide me over for a while.

[UK_]

Replicel- in Phase II I believe, very dissapointing results recently, best responder had something like 15% increase in density, although this is only after 6 months.http://www.replicel.com/our-science/...science-works/
Expected release- probably 2018-2020 if at all
my POV: not a great solution so far, very mediocre early results, tells me this one will take along time if it's going to work at all.

19% actually.

Why is everyone hammering Replicel? Those people hammering them please set up your own god damn lab and try doing something useful yourself. Typical behaviour of the general public, moaning negative idiots that cant get off their backsides to do anything themselves.

[Maradona]

Replicel will definitely not work. They are DOA.

Aderans may work further down the line (because they pretty much have enough the money to throw shit at the wall and hope something sticks. They might find something effective enough for commercialization)

HST is not FUE. You are just a Gho hater.

Haven't laughed in a while bro, that's funny as hell but so true.

Amazes me how your analogy is 100% accurate to what ARI is all about.

But I have good hope in ARI, it's replicel on steroids imo.

[rdawg]

19% actually.

Why is everyone hammering Replicel? Those people hammering them please set up your own god damn lab and try doing something useful yourself. Typical behaviour of the general public, moaning negative idiots that cant get off their backsides to do anything themselves.

Mainly because the results have been quite underwhelming. 19% on the best responder, some even lost a bit of hair from what i've read. That can't be much better than Minoxidil/Propecia etc.

I'm not trying to be negative with it, moreso realistic. It seems Histogen is well on it's way to phase III with great early results, Replicel it seems they have to go back and fiddle with the doses/makeup of the stuff and there is clearly something wrong with their product right now. All that tells me is that it's going to be postponed at least another year longer, meaning no phase III until 2014-2015 at the earliest(if it even gets there).

[Maradona]

Mainly because the results have been quite underwhelming. 19% on the best responder, some even lost a bit of hair from what i've read. That can't be much better than Minoxidil/Propecia etc.

I'm not trying to be negative with it, moreso realistic. It seems Histogen is well on it's way to phase III with great early results, Replicel it seems they have to go back and fiddle with the doses/makeup of the stuff and there is clearly something wrong with their product right now. All that tells me is that it's going to be postponed at least another year longer, meaning no phase III until 2014-2015 at the earliest(if it even gets there).

Yeah I mean the naysayers are ditching replicel but not histogen or ari.

Histogen just blew our mind with their results.

[Davey Jones]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the middle of next month be three months since Histogen released 12 week Phase II data? Does anyone know if there are going to be any 6-month results published?

Though it has been pointed out that they haven't proved they can get hair to grow for longer than one cycle, that's one cycle longer than my hair has been growing on it's own. I'd take that every few years if I had to. (And to be fair, it hasn't been proved that the hairs won't grow for more than one cycle either.)

[gmonasco]

And to be fair, it hasn't been proved that the hairs won't grow for more than one cycle either.

True, it's just speculation at this point.

Nonetheless, everyone would do well to keep in mind that in this area it can be a long road from finding something that works to developing it into an effective (i.e., permanent) treatment.

Diabetes is a good analogue. Since the discovery of insulin 90 years ago, those with type 1 diabetes no longer live under a virtual death sentence and can lead mostly normal lives. But although insulin treats diabetes effectively, diabetics still have to inject themselves with it every day. Nearly a century later, a permanent "cure" -- finding a way to get diabetics' bodies to produce sufficient insulin on their own -- remains elusive.

[neversaynever]

That is not true.





That is not true in any way, shape or form.

Replicel might still fail, or they might surprise us early next year.

Dont act as if they are the cure. So far Histogen are the only company who look like they have something.

Gho's HST, though limited, is also beneficial for many.

[stilted]

Though it has been pointed out that Histogen hasn't proved they can get hair to grow for longer than one cycle.

This is one of my major worries about Histogen -- Spencer even casually referred to this in the Ziering interview -- what if Histogen is only effective much in the same way Botox is? Simply a temporary improvement for the wealthy who can afford injections every two months...

[neversaynever]

This is one of my major worries about Histogen -- Spencer even casually referred to this in the Ziering interview -- what if Histogen is only effective much in the same way Botox is? Simply a temporary improvement for the wealthy who can afford injections every two months...

I think people are over reacting.

One cycle can be a few years. Also, hairs might gradually thin, than simply drop out.

I would be happy to have HSC every 2-3-4-5 years. Plus, HSC in combination with a next generation topical.....

So we transform vellus into terminal with HSC, and use PGD2/dht receptor topicals to maintain.

I think people need to let go of the cure thing. There is no cure in sight, just treatments that are FAR superior to fin, minox and bloody nizoral.

[2020]

I think people are over reacting.

I think you're just desperate for any kind of results. A month ago I pointed out that the "growth area" was way too small so they would need hundreds and maybe thousands of injections depending on how much hair you lost. Everyone ignored it and said whatever I'll take whatever amount of injections as long as it would bring back a full head of hair.
Would you really? Do you comprehend the number 1000? Do you know how much that is? Can you imagine doing that every 6 months or so?

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22.... bored already? I'm less than 1% in. Imagine all those numbers as an injection.

One cycle can be a few years. Also, hairs might gradually thin, than simply drop out.

they would simply drop out actually... follicle wouldn't be able to recreate another anagen cycle by itself so it will stay in resting phase forever again.

I would be happy to have HSC every 2-3-4-5 years. Plus, HSC in combination with a next generation topical.....

no you wouldn't.... eventually you will end up NW6 and with thousands of injections needed for that to become NW1, you will be flying in every 6 months or so to keep all that hair from not falling out.

So we transform vellus into terminal with HSC, and use PGD2/dht receptor topicals to maintain.

it doesn't work like that.... it might prevent premature end of cycle but that's it. You get 2-3 years MAX assuming you do use DHT blockers