Any topical treatment to look forward to in the future?

[yeahyeahyeah]

it's poorly worded. It says that even though you produce a lot of sex hormones, only a small fraction is biologically active because they're mostly bound up with SHBG and Albumin....
Whatever little is left over is what's causing your MPB but equol will take care of it by binding to it and deactivating it.

Oh right that makes sense.

So it's the DHT that is not being used for anything, which is takes care off.

The thing is - isn't all DHT when it is created, intially 'free DHT' - when and how does it differentiate this?

And why do I need to buy this product, when I can just get a suppliment from a vitamin store?

[2020]

I have cash to burn, I would try this product out.

But I am not convinced by the science behind it, see above.

yeah how much do you have? They're selling 100 2.5mg pills for $30 which if you were to make it one month's supply, that would give you three pills daily which is merely 7.5mg... not nearly enough in my opinion. You would probably want to take much much more than that

[2020]

Oh right that makes sense.

So it's the DHT that is not being used for anything, which is takes care off.

The thing is - isn't all DHT when it is created, intially 'free DHT' - when and how does it differentiate this?

not sure... SHBG just goes around picking up those sex hormones and neutralizing them.
Low SHBG has been linked with MPB but that's not really the cause of it... I'm guessing if you had low SHBG, more of DHT would be bioavailable thus speeding up all androgen related functions.

And why do I need to buy this product, when I can just get a suppliment from a vitamin store?

what supplement are you talking about?

[yeahyeahyeah]

yeah how much do you have? They're selling 100 2.5mg pills for $30 which if you were to make it one month's supply, that would give you three pills daily which is merely 7.5mg... not nearly enough in my opinion. You would probably want to take much much more than that

It says on their web site:


What is the recommended dosage level?
Eclipse recommends a dose of 4 capsules per day (two every 12 hours), equating to 10mg of the active ingredient. S-equol has been verified as safe at much higher dosage levels (hundreds of milligrams).

Obviously if it doesnt work, I would just stop taking it.

Could buy 2 bottles worth.

But again, the active ingredients you can pick up in a suppliment store.

[yeahyeahyeah]

what supplement are you talking about?

http://www.physicianformulas.com/store/Scripts/prodview.asp?idproduct=156&name=Genistein

[2020]

not all people can produce equol from soy....



even if you are one of those lucky 30% who can(how would you know?), the amount would probably be very low and it will range overtime thus you would need to consume A LOT of soy to produce reasonable amounts of equol. It's too complicated, it's much better to just take equol DIRECTLY.

[yeahyeahyeah]

not all people can produce equol from soy....



even if you are one of those lucky 30% who can(how would you know?), the amount would probably be very low and it will range overtime thus you would need to consume A LOT of soy to produce reasonable amounts of equol. It's too complicated, it's much better to just take equol DIRECTLY.

And that is the difference between the 2 suppliments?

[2020]

And that is the difference between the 2 suppliments?

that product you showed is just regular soy...

yes, if you're an equol producer, your body will produce equol naturally from that soy but the problem is that most people aren't equol producers and even if they are, there is no way of knowing how much equol are you capable of producing and how much soy you need to consume.... it's just too complicated that way. We need to consume Equol directly

[yeahyeahyeah]

that product you showed is just regular soy...

yes, if you're an equol producer, your body will produce equol naturally from that soy but the problem is that most people aren't equol producers and even if they are, there is no way of knowing how much equol are you capable of producing and how much soy you need to consume.... it's just too complicated that way. We need to consume Equol directly

It seems as though with both products the equol is extracted from soy.

Can't really see the difference.

[2020]

It seems as though with both products the equol is extracted from soy.

Can't really see the difference.

soy does not contain equol. NOTHING in the world contains equol.
Equol is made naturally in some people who are able to convert soy to equol...
If your body can't convert soy to equol then you're wasting time eating all that soy. Most people can't make that conversion and those who can may end up producing very little equol so they will never be sure how much soy they would need to consume to get the desired results.
It's a very complicated process so it's much easier to just chemically produce that equol molecule and give it to people directly bypassing all those soy conversion problems

[gutted]

Ah nice, thanks for the links. You probably are the only dude on baldtruth who knows his shit but i gotta disagree with you on this stuff. I don't really like the idea of depriving the body of DHT altogether, is this what this treatment does?

It says it binds to DHT so that sounds to me same as fin. If it can't bind to AR receptors then DHT will not be doing what it is supposed to do in other parts in your body.

you have a valid point which 2020 failed to respond to with an adequate answer!

eqoul is a very very good alternative to fin if you have a problem with dht levels, but what hes suggesting you do with it, will almost likley result in sides similar to what fin results in (possibly even greater!)

the differnece in taking eqoul as opposed to fin is that the bodies homeostasis will not be initiated.


anyway the key is to find a balance - 2020 is saying suppress all of dht with eqoul which is NOT right.

[2020]

the differnece in taking eqoul as opposed to fin is that the bodies homeostasis will not be initiated.

exactly because it operates similarly to your own natural androgen binding proteins... none of the other hormones are disrupted == NO SIDE EFFECTS

anyway the key is to find a balance - 2020 is saying suppress all of dht with eqoul which is NOT right.

do you acknowledge the fact that sides from 5AR inhibitors come from hormone imbalance and excess estrogen that is caused by them and not from the lack of DHT?

95% of your DHT is suppressed by your body naturally so what's another 4-5%? You don't know what you're talking about.

[gutted]

You don't know what you're talking about.

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[2020]

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no dude, please tell me what causes fin sides in your opinion. Go on...

[gutted]

no dude, please tell me what causes fin sides in your opinion. Go on...

looooooooooool