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[534623]

...does anyone else have a few before and after photos they can share of what Propecia does to the crown? It doesn't have to be your hair. I just want to know what kind of results are we up against because the only people I know on Propecia have receding hairlines...

I've never seen what Propecia does to a bald spot, and I read the other day actually that Propecia works better on the crown than the hairline. Is that true?

I can only report what I tried with Propecia ...

In the late 90s, I tried Propecia the 1st time in my life (1mg/day) for around 3 years or so, and this stuff didn't really work in the front/mid-scalp areas, I think, because after around 3 years - everything I noticed was that I still lost more hair during these 3 years. Interestingly, the crown/tonsure area, wasn't affected at all during these 3 years.

A few years later (I stopped Propecia in the meanwhile), suddenly I noticed also thinning in my crown area. Of course, I tried Propecia again for around 2 years, in an effort to "rescue" at least the crown area with Propecia.

And what happened?
You can see the result in the photo above...

Let me guess: "You're just a bad responder...!"

Anyway, then I stopped Propecia again. The pic above is now exactly 3 years old. In the meanwhile, I noticed that the crown-area (~55 cm&#178 isn't bigger than 3 years ago. I really hope this is "end-state" ...

[Desmond84]

I am attempting to go with route 2 in Desmond's scheme. Which brings me to a couple questions:

Des, do you think .25mg of Fin per week will do anything as far as maintenance, or is the half life too short? It's the only dose I can take without gyno flaring up (chest still hurts but pain subsides to minimal levels after a week). I also use Niz 2% 1/wk.

What do you think about Keratene pills? Seems more legitimate than most alternatives to Fin out there. Would I be better served to give it a shot than waste time taking low Fin doses, or would you stick with the Fin until more results come from Keratene?

Conpecia,

From August to October 2012 (when I took Propecia for the first time), I took 0.25mg every 5 days and it definitely was working! I went through a shed phase followed by regrowth!

I then slowly increased the dose to 0.25mg TWICE A WEEK and I am still taking that dose to this date! My hairloss has been halted for now and my temples have stopped thinning!

With regards to chest pains, in a finasteride trial, patients taking 5mg/day were 4 times more likely to develop breast cancer compared to placebo (0.4% vs. 0.1%).

Obviously your health comes first. So I would take 0.25mg every 5 days and see how I go for the first 3 months. If the pain persists or gyno develops, just drop fin and never look back again!

If all went well, try and at least take it every 3-4 days

[clarence]

And what happened?
You can see the result in the photo above...

Let me guess: "You're just a bad responder...!"

Hmmm from I read earlier, your hair loss is not exactly typical, judging from the age at which the whole pattern began to express itself. Or maybe rather, judging from my experiences with friends, relatives and mirror images, whose patterns often have been visible since their early 20s.

[Thinning87]

I can only report what I tried with Propecia ...

In the late 90s, I tried Propecia the 1st time in my life (1mg/day) for around 3 years or so, and this stuff didn't really work in the front/mid-scalp areas, I think, because after around 3 years - everything I noticed was that I still lost more hair during these 3 years. Interestingly, the crown/tonsure area, wasn't affected at all during these 3 years.

A few years later (I stopped Propecia in the meanwhile), suddenly I noticed also thinning in my crown area. Of course, I tried Propecia again for around 2 years, in an effort to "rescue" at least the crown area with Propecia.

And what happened?
You can see the result in the photo above...

Let me guess: "You're just a bad responder...!"

Anyway, then I stopped Propecia again. The pic above is now exactly 3 years old. In the meanwhile, I noticed that the crown-area (~55 cm²) isn't bigger than 3 years ago. I really hope this is "end-state" ...

So is this why you go around this forum and spread negativity for no reason?

[534623]

So is this why you go around this forum and spread negativity for no reason?

Is there something positive to spread? Did I miss something??
If so, please let me know!

[StinkySmurf]

HST is positive

How is your HST coming along?

[534623]

HST is positive

How is your HST coming along?

Right now, this is not the question in this thread - THIS is the question right now...

Desmond, Do you or does anyone else have a few before and after photos they can share of what Propecia does to the crown? It doesn't have to be your hair. I just want to know what kind of results are we up against because the only people I know on Propecia have receding hairlines...

I've never seen what Propecia does to a bald spot ...

Seems, so far, I'm the only idiot who shared his Propecia story - even with a photo. And guess what - I've never seen what Propecia does to a bald spot either (besides my own case)!

[Conpecia]

Conpecia,

From August to October 2012 (when I took Propecia for the first time), I took 0.25mg every 5 days and it definitely was working! I went through a shed phase followed by regrowth!

I then slowly increased the dose to 0.25mg TWICE A WEEK and I am still taking that dose to this date! My hairloss has been halted for now and my temples have stopped thinning!

With regards to chest pains, in a finasteride trial, patients taking 5mg/day were 4 times more likely to develop breast cancer compared to placebo (0.4% vs. 0.1%).

Obviously your health comes first. So I would take 0.25mg every 5 days and see how I go for the first 3 months. If the pain persists or gyno develops, just drop fin and never look back again!

If all went well, try and at least take it every 3-4 days

Thanks Des! I am going to stick with .25 mg of Fin a week for a couple months and see if this Keratene stuff is all it's cracked up to be, then make the switch. Do you know anything about DIM to combat estrogen-related sides? I think a combo of Fin at low doses and DIM might be a good holdover for 2015...

[Thinning87]

Right now, this is not the question in this thread - THIS is the question right now...

Seems, so far, I'm the only idiot who shared his Propecia story - even with a photo. And guess what - I've never seen what Propecia does to a bald spot either (besides my own case)!

why don't you try the propecia threads........

[hellouser]

I remember Maradona saying he would be going with a Gho procedure in the near future and waiting for an Aderans or Histogen procedure once available on the market.



My question is; is this feasible? I ask because I'm curious if implanting grafts into the donor area damages any follicles that aren't growing hair. I mean, suppose I myself got a Gho HST procedure done to fix my hairline and temples and then went in for a procedure with Aderans that also focused on my hairline and temples. Would it be reasonable to expect further growth in that area or would the only possibility be for another HST procedure in order to thicken up that area?



A secondary question; if the hair we are able to regrow using CB, RU, etc, could we expect to keep it stopping all medication AFTER an Aderans procedure? There's been a lot of talk and assumptions that Aderans acts as a permanent halt to further hairloss.

[nativer]

It was 1984 and I am 7. I see a commercial" for the "Hair club for men" Rogaine

13 (1997) years later, there is a pill (approved by the FDA) that will give you back your hair.

16 years later, Pill has been proven to also take some peoples dick away.

We are due for a break through, or the no dick thing was the break through. If the no dick thing is the break through we are ****ed for another decade.

[paradigmshift]

Is there something positive to spread? Did I miss something??
If so, please let me know!

You look not bad. May be lose some weight and cut the hair short?

As far as the positive: if Lauster and Aderans can grow so little as a single hair in vitro, then it's only a matter of time before someone industrializes the process. I am more worried about greedy patent hogs than the science at this point. Remember the transistor and Moore's Law (transistor density doubles every 10 years). Are we the last generation to grow bald? Because that would be terrible luck.

[hellouser]

It was 1984 and I am 7. I see a commercial" for the "Hair club for men" Rogaine

13 (1997) years later, there is a pill (approved by the FDA) that will give you back your hair.

16 years later, Pill has been proven to also take some peoples dick away.

We are due for a break through, or the no dick thing was the break through. If the no dick thing is the break through we are ****ed for another decade.

Youre being modest, we are *long* overdue for a breakthrough.

[534623]

I have some questions concerning ADERANS…

Aderans shows always just “success photos” at presentations/meetings/videos – right?

For independent VIEWERS, such photos do not allow them to analyze these photos – contrary to Histogen, for example:
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http://youtu.be/khVm4wSpzjo

"When Dr. Cole returned from the Bahamas, he told me about the Histogen presentation he attended there. He was unimpressed because of the before and after images. Many of you are familiar with the strategy of obscuring details with a photo flash in before images and presenting the after images without photo flash. This of course should be avoided at all costs, especially if you are trying to promote a breakthrough medical technology. This statement should not be taken to imply that representatives of Histogen deliberately presented misleading photo evidence of hair growth. On the other hand if you ever present a medical breakthrough to a sophisticated audience like doctors, by all means present the highest quality images available.
Here is the link to Histogen's PDF they have posted:

http://www.histogen.com/downloads/sid_2012_HSC_Final.pdf

Now this PDF is really a huge pixel dimension document. When opened and rasterized in PhotoShop, it reveals some relatively large dimension before and after images. To many people PhotoShop is synonymous with photo fakery. That is not necessarily the case. PhotoShop CAN be used to fake photos, but the newer versions have advanced technology that can find pixels obscured by a flash for instance. So PhotoShop has some very important and legitimate uses.

Histogen may very well be a breakthrough product, but Dr. Cole was unimpressed with the presentation because of the photo flash on the before images …"
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Why I’m mentioning all this?
Because Aderans, contrary to Histogen for example, they do not publish “really huge pixel dimension documents” or photos on their website – I have never seen any.

Anyways, so I’ve tried the following…

http://youtu.be/l_JHbtXJ0a8

Here is Washenik’s presented photo in the video enlarged…

http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/ARI-results.jpg

If you don’t like my enlarged photo…

http://www.alopezie.de/fud/index.php/fa/10806/

…a user in a German hairloss forum tried the same.

So here are my questions:

Why is the black dot/marker in the after photo much bigger than in the before photo? In my opinion, it looks like the after photo is just zoomed?

Does the after photo show the same trail subject or at least the SAME area at all?

Why don’t they publish on their website a good high resolution photo of these presentation photos?

Is Aderans aware about a guy named IronMan, who is doing photo analysis and that’s the reason why they don’t publish high resolution photos? That’s THE question …

[hellouser]

Why is the black dot/marker in the after photo much bigger than in the before photo? In my opinion, it looks like the after photo is just zoomed?

Skin has a tendency to stretch and contract, hence why undesirable women have stretch marks (booyah, I'll get hated by Tracy on this comment).

Also, tattoos don't stay exactly the same on forever anyway. I wouldnt be worried about it too much.