Something new?

[LMS]

I doubt that Biologix is a pure snake oil but I also doubt that this will come to market anytime soon.

Their product is based on the inflammatory theory and we all know that inflammatory plays a certain role in Hair-loss - PGD2 also works as an anti inflammatory to a certain extend.

But Biologix apparently uses 2 compounds which are already licensed and FDA approved by other pharma companies and these are not willing to allow the use of their products for this therapy or in clinical trails (After all, its pure business politics ...). So at the moment they are not even trying to get a FDA clearance for this because they don't even have a product that is fully owned by them and allows them to apply for it.

They established a partnership with the Beijing Institute of Technology and trying to find/develop a substitute that works in the same way then the two already existing but protected compounds do. Well see.

Anyway, even if it would be real and lets imagine they find the substitute tomorrow. We are still looking at 4 to 6 years before market approval in the western world.

How did you find this information?

Do you have a source? Not doubting it, but just wondering where you got this info cause I've kinda been researching biologix and haven't come across it (but not to deeply).

[MrBrainwash]

I doubt that Biologix is a pure snake oil but I also doubt that this will come to market anytime soon.

Their product is based on the inflammatory theory and we all know that inflammatory plays a certain role in Hair-loss - PGD2 also works as an anti inflammatory to a certain extend.

But Biologix apparently uses 2 compounds which are already licensed and FDA approved by other pharma companies and these are not willing to allow the use of their products for this therapy or in clinical trails (After all, its pure business politics ...). So at the moment they are not even trying to get a FDA clearance for this because they don't even have a product that is fully owned by them and allows them to apply for it.

They established a partnership with the Beijing Institute of Technology and trying to find/develop a substitute that works in the same way then the two already existing but protected compounds do. Well see.

Anyway, even if it would be real and lets imagine they find the substitute tomorrow. We are still looking at 4 to 6 years before market approval in the western world.

[Thinning87]

Again, and to reiterate, Spencer should talk about this on the Bald Truth. Enough stories from guys calling in with the same tired dialogue; we don't care. Take Propecia, or don't, whatever.

We care about cutting edge treatments and technologies, which are only at times highlighted in the first minutes of the show, by Joe from Staten Island.

I quote BUT will also say that - and I may be wrong - I have the impression that Spencer knows more than the general public about what will come out in the near future. I get this idea when I see him respond to Joe from Staten Island on the show... he's kind of evasive in my opinion.

For example I think it would make sense for him to have more insight into Histogen's real potential, given his connections. I mean once you're in phase 2 and you've got results, if you're the CEO of Histogen you can kind of tell where the product is going to lead to (although there is always a chance for improvement or new problems), so someone close to these people like Spencer may have had a chance to ask some direct questions...

And I noticed he has also been talking a lot about how life goes on if you have AGA, sort of like to prepare people for some potential bad news... But maybe I'm going too far now...

All we can do is wait and hope that Histogen will tell us that at the 2 year mark growth continues and all subjects responded to the injections (that would be awesome news and I don't think it's impossible given what they have shown in their press release in October)

[VictimOfDHT]

Read the thread.

Really? Why bother to reply if that's all you're going to say? I'm inquiring if there's anything new that someone knows. I can read, buddy.

[clandestine]

Again, and to reiterate, Spencer should talk about this on the Bald Truth. Enough stories from guys calling in with the same tired dialogue; we don't care. Take Propecia, or don't, whatever.

We care about cutting edge treatments and technologies, which are only at times highlighted in the first minutes of the show, by Joe from Staten Island.

[Thinning87]

As was discussed before, Ron Holland is a self-important, tax-dodging psycho who has yet to make a real product.

That Ziering joined hands with Biologix doesn't increase the latter's credibility, but decreases the credibility of Ziering and everything he is associated with: Histogen. He is not a scientist in the classical sense; he is barely a clinician. He just appears to be enthusiastic and savvy about hairloss.

Clearly, all for naught. These guys have no passion for solving hairloss. They just want to create an uproar out of gullible followers so that they can swindle investors in the name libertarianism. Honestly... good on them for beating the system.

I would rather pay attention to real scientists... even if they are not marketing the crap out of themselves.

That's exactly what I thought - scary and in no way helpful to Ziering's reputation. Hopefully this is not directly linked to Histogen.

However, let's not spread around negative rumors about people when we don't really know what they are up to

[paradigmshift]

Ron Holland is a psycho

As was discussed before, Ron Holland is a self-important, tax-dodging psycho who has yet to make a real product.

That Ziering joined hands with Biologix doesn't increase the latter's credibility, but decreases the credibility of Ziering and everything he is associated with: Histogen. He is not a scientist in the classical sense; he is barely a clinician. He just appears to be enthusiastic and savvy about hairloss.

Clearly, all for naught. These guys have no passion for solving hairloss. They just want to create an uproar out of gullible followers so that they can swindle investors in the name libertarianism. Honestly... good on them for beating the system.

I would rather pay attention to real scientists... even if they are not marketing the crap out of themselves.

[Conpecia]

I am absolutely baffled by all the contradictory information we're getting. It's like a surrealist interpretation of what I usually see on this forum. It's Bizarro-BTT.

[Thinning87]

I quote that, what is going on?

The testimonials are too good to be true, and if results were this good we'd have heard about this company on the news.

I don't know what to say except that I am intrigued.

[UK_]

Dr Ziering involved with Biologix? Whut?

Now I'm more than ever looking forward to the next interview with Dr Ziering - I just hope Spencer asks him why he's decided to become a chairman of this company? And its relation to his work at Histogen?

In other words, what the f### is going on?

[Joker]

This company doesn't seem to have many, or any, doctors on its management team. It also doesn't explain in any detail how their research builds upon or complements the rest of the world's understanding of hair follicle biology. What relation does FNDS have to DHT? How does a treatment that delivers vitamins to follicles combat Alopecia Areata, an auto-immune disease? How did a doctor specializing in mesotherapy stumble upon a cure for a disease affecting one of the most complex organs in the human body?

Something's "off" about this. Once again, it makes no sense for a company with a completed, working product (that they've replicated 30,000 times and administered to 5,000 people) to just stop everything - reformulate the product in China, of all places - and then seek a 5-10 year American approval process.

Why not seek approval in South America (where it has apparently been used to great effect) and China (where the product is created) concurrently with the United States? What happens when the FDA inevitably screws your company and delays market approval for the greater part of the next decade? What happens when Chinese corporations steal your IP? When was the last time anyone on your entire management team conducted a full clinical trial?

The fact that they're already selling stock and looking into fancy licensing deals puts them right up there with Replicel in terms of credibility, especially with all of these insane strategic business decisions.

I'd love to hear that I'm wrong and I'd love for Dr. Ziering to offer TBT another interview (his last one was very open and comprehensive), but I won't hold my breath.

[clandestine]

Agreed, I feel Spencer fails to discuss recent developments outlined in this section of the forum. Dr Nigam, now Ziering joining up with Biologix, etc.

[Joker]

Spencer needs to get to the bottom of this. The science sounds rather unscientific, but the law firm handling their IP and licensing is pretty legit. Their strategy makes no sense whatsoever, though. They have a working product that has already been used successfully on 5,000 people - and they are going to wait another 10 years to conduct Phase 1, 2 and 3 FDA trials before giving it to anyone else around the world. That's so stupid - even in the world of hair loss treatments - that I have a hard time believing this company is real.

[clandestine]

So.....anything new from these guys? Or is it the usual excitement that's followed by disappointment?

Read the thread.

[VictimOfDHT]

So.....anything new from these guys? Or is it the usual excitement that's followed by disappointment?