Tocotrienol (vitamin E) may reverse male pattern baldness

[StressedToTheBald]

It's about half price of the toco-8 best price.

But the mix concentration per tablet is less than half comparing to toco-8. Thats why I said - calculate to find what the real best price is. For example - its not the same if one tablet of one product contains 120 mg of something and the other single tablet of another product goes with 50mg of the same something - then, if number of tabs are the same both products, even if the price of the first product is 2 times more expensive than the second, it still is overall cheaper - due to higher concentration.

Well, tocotrienols have as much as 60 times more activity than the d-alpha tocopherol form of vitamin E used orally. So if oxygenation is part of the mode of action, then tocotrienols would trump the popular d-alpha tocopherol.

Sounds interesting. It surely can't hurt, the only question is how much it can help in reality, will it boost regrowth in any way and make visible difference.. B vitamins for example are been often described as crucial and a must for hair loss, yet even when I used some crazy high amounts - 200mg of full B complex, it had no visible effect whatsoever. On and off I also used Biotin, the H Vitamin, Hair Vitamin, I was going like 10,000 units daily - and no, no results what that either..

I now give advantage to other ingredients over vitamins and minerals. Sterols in beta sitosterol and ganodermic acid from ganoderma lucidum will be my bet in the time ahead, as they are shown by studies to be natural inhibitors of DHT - DHT is the killer of our hair. That doesn't mean I'm not using vitamins and minerals, I use them all right and each day, its just I don't I don't currently mark them as main warriors in my quest against baldness.

[KeepHoping]

doesitwork: If one decides to take toco-sorb, how many pills would you take a day?

[NeedHairASAP]

pictures? or.....?

[doesitwork]

Slightly better deal (6%) on Toco-Sorb from Swanson.

[QUOTE=StressedToTheBald;48826]But the mix concentration per tablet is less than half comparing to toco-8. Thats why I said - calculate to find what the real best price is. For example - its not the same if one tablet of one product contains 120 mg of something and the other single tablet of another product goes with 50mg of the same something - then, if number of tabs are the same both products, even if the price of the first product is 2 times more expensive than the second, it still is overall cheaper - due to higher concentration.

Actually, I did add it up wrong. Swanson's charges 51% of the cost of Toco-8 from ProSource.net for Toco-Sorb, which gives us 57% as much tocotrienols. So it's a slightly better (6%) deal to buy Toco-Sorb from Swanson. Shipping cost at Swanson is $4.99, which beats just about everyone. I don't what ProSource charges for shipping, but I bet it's more than $4.99.

So there's my two cents.

[Conpecia]

There are three real Tocomin SupraBio products.

1. Jarrow Formulas makes Toco-Sorb.
2. Toco-8 by Primordial Performance uses the same raw material - Tocomin SupraBio
3. And Life Extension Foundation makes Super Absorbable Tocotrienols, which also uses the Tocomin SupraBio licensed raw material.

I purchased Tocomin SupraBio from Nutraceutical Sciences Institute. 120 softgels with 60 mg of the complex per pill. It also contains 26 IU's of d-alpha tocopherol.

A fellow at another baldness site who goes by the name "polaris" apparently contacted the VP of Carotech, the company that manufactures Tocomin SupraBio, and the VP recommended the NCI product to him. Here is a copy of that post:

The manufacturer of Tocomin SupraBio is Carotech (http://www.carotech.net).
There are a number of stories about tocotrienols on this website and on one of the pdfs, they actually showed a before & after picture of their hair growth study subject. You can download this story on their homepage, its title "TocominSupraBio: Hair Loss prevention and beyond".

My notes on this Tocomin SupraBio Hair growth formulation patent:
- it contains mixture of tocotrienols and some tocopherol - good antioxidants
- could it be due to the improved absorption of the tocotrienol? "SupraBio" is actually the name given to the delivery system that has another patent.
- dosage - 100mg/day for 8 months, consistently.
- Most effective - increase hair count
- Side effects - nil

I wrote to their VP months ago and here are his recommendations on where to get the Tocomin SupraBio softgels. I believe these are companies in the US :
Quote:
Tocomin SupraBio soft gel capsules can be purchased from the following :-
i) VITACOST's TOCOMIN SUPRABIO - http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-Tocomin-Sup ... ol-Complex. You can purchase this product from the website (Tel : 1 800 381 0759).

ii) TOCO-SORB by Jarrow Formulas - http://www.jarrow.com/product/274/Toco_ ... _Toco_Life. This product can be puchased from your local health food stores. Or you can call them at this no : (310) 204-6936

iiii) CAROTEC's Tocomin SupraBio - http://www.carotec.com/product/56/108. You can call this company at 1-800-522-4279

The above are only three examples of a number of companies that carry Tocomin SupraBio. There are other products in the markert with a combination of tocotrienol (Tocomin) with other ingredients / phytonutrients. What is most important is that when you purchase the product - ensure that it carries the logo and tradename - Tocomin or Tocomin Suprabio on the product label.

This would ensure that you are getting the right product with ingredients that are with proven science.


I have read elsewhere that tocopherol will only get in tocotrienol's way when it is present in ratio greater than 30%, and in the effect of reducing cholesterol, not sure if it may affect hair regrowth since the mechanisms are different. But this Tocomin SupraBio has tocopherol at ratio below 30%.

- cheers!




So, one issue we need to figure out is whether the tocopherol really does inhibit the functionality of the tocotrienol complex in percentages higher than 30%. And another issue is whether this NCI product is legitimate or not. I'm not sure why it wouldn't be, particularly when the people at Carotech specifically recommend it. Any thoughts?

[NeedHairASAP]

I purchased Tocomin SupraBio from Nutraceutical Sciences Institute. 120 softgels with 60 mg of the complex per pill. It also contains 26 IU's of d-alpha tocopherol.

A fellow at another baldness site who goes by the name "polaris" apparently contacted the VP of Carotech, the company that manufactures Tocomin SupraBio, and the VP recommended the NCI product to him. Here is a copy of that post:

The manufacturer of Tocomin SupraBio is Carotech (http://www.carotech.net).
There are a number of stories about tocotrienols on this website and on one of the pdfs, they actually showed a before & after picture of their hair growth study subject. You can download this story on their homepage, its title "TocominSupraBio: Hair Loss prevention and beyond".

My notes on this Tocomin SupraBio Hair growth formulation patent:
- it contains mixture of tocotrienols and some tocopherol - good antioxidants
- could it be due to the improved absorption of the tocotrienol? "SupraBio" is actually the name given to the delivery system that has another patent.
- dosage - 100mg/day for 8 months, consistently.
- Most effective - increase hair count
- Side effects - nil

I wrote to their VP months ago and here are his recommendations on where to get the Tocomin SupraBio softgels. I believe these are companies in the US :
Quote:
Tocomin SupraBio soft gel capsules can be purchased from the following :-
i) VITACOST's TOCOMIN SUPRABIO - http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-Tocomin-Sup ... ol-Complex. You can purchase this product from the website (Tel : 1 800 381 0759).

ii) TOCO-SORB by Jarrow Formulas - http://www.jarrow.com/product/274/Toco_ ... _Toco_Life. This product can be puchased from your local health food stores. Or you can call them at this no : (310) 204-6936

iiii) CAROTEC's Tocomin SupraBio - http://www.carotec.com/product/56/108. You can call this company at 1-800-522-4279

The above are only three examples of a number of companies that carry Tocomin SupraBio. There are other products in the markert with a combination of tocotrienol (Tocomin) with other ingredients / phytonutrients. What is most important is that when you purchase the product - ensure that it carries the logo and tradename - Tocomin or Tocomin Suprabio on the product label.

This would ensure that you are getting the right product with ingredients that are with proven science.


I have read elsewhere that tocopherol will only get in tocotrienol's way when it is present in ratio greater than 30%, and in the effect of reducing cholesterol, not sure if it may affect hair regrowth since the mechanisms are different. But this Tocomin SupraBio has tocopherol at ratio below 30%.

- cheers!




So, one issue we need to figure out is whether the tocopherol really does inhibit the functionality of the tocotrienol complex in percentages higher than 30%. And another issue is whether this NCI product is legitimate or not. I'm not sure why it wouldn't be, particularly when the people at Carotech specifically recommend it. Any thoughts?

EDIT: I see where all the fuss is coming from


after Renokin.... I realized even "studies" with shit loads of grafts and supposed trial participants can't be trusted....

[2020]

am I the only one who sees this as an obvious marketing ploy?

[doesitwork]

OK -- there are more than three brands that use Tocomin SupraBio.

But the mix concentration per tablet is less than half comparing to toco-8. Thats why I said - calculate to find what the real best price is. For example - its not the same if one tablet of one product contains 120 mg of something and the other single tablet of another product goes with 50mg of the same something - then, if number of tabs are the same both products, even if the price of the first product is 2 times more expensive than the second, it still is overall cheaper - due to higher concentration.



Sounds interesting. It surely can't hurt, the only question is how much it can help in reality, will it boost regrowth in any way and make visible difference.. B vitamins for example are been often described as crucial and a must for hair loss, yet even when I used some crazy high amounts - 200mg of full B complex, it had no visible effect whatsoever. On and off I also used Biotin, the H Vitamin, Hair Vitamin, I was going like 10,000 units daily - and no, no results what that either..

I now give advantage to other ingredients over vitamins and minerals. Sterols in beta sitosterol and ganodermic acid from ganoderma lucidum will be my bet in the time ahead, as they are shown by studies to be natural inhibitors of DHT - DHT is the killer of our hair. That doesn't mean I'm not using vitamins and minerals, I use them all right and each day, its just I don't I don't currently mark them as main warriors in my quest against baldness.

I purchased Tocomin SupraBio from Nutraceutical Sciences Institute. 120 softgels with 60 mg of the complex per pill. It also contains 26 IU's of d-alpha tocopherol.

A fellow at another baldness site who goes by the name "polaris" apparently contacted the VP of Carotech, the company that manufactures Tocomin SupraBio, and the VP recommended the NCI product to him. Here is a copy of that post:

The manufacturer of Tocomin SupraBio is Carotech (http://www.carotech.net).
There are a number of stories about tocotrienols on this website and on one of the pdfs, they actually showed a before & after picture of their hair growth study subject. You can download this story on their homepage, its title "TocominSupraBio: Hair Loss prevention and beyond".

My notes on this Tocomin SupraBio Hair growth formulation patent:
- it contains mixture of tocotrienols and some tocopherol - good antioxidants
- could it be due to the improved absorption of the tocotrienol? "SupraBio" is actually the name given to the delivery system that has another patent.
- dosage - 100mg/day for 8 months, consistently.
- Most effective - increase hair count
- Side effects - nil

I wrote to their VP months ago and here are his recommendations on where to get the Tocomin SupraBio softgels. I believe these are companies in the US :
Quote:
Tocomin SupraBio soft gel capsules can be purchased from the following :-
i) VITACOST's TOCOMIN SUPRABIO - http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-Tocomin-Sup ... ol-Complex. You can purchase this product from the website (Tel : 1 800 381 0759).

ii) TOCO-SORB by Jarrow Formulas - http://www.jarrow.com/product/274/Toco_ ... _Toco_Life. This product can be puchased from your local health food stores. Or you can call them at this no : (310) 204-6936

iiii) CAROTEC's Tocomin SupraBio - http://www.carotec.com/product/56/108. You can call this company at 1-800-522-4279

The above are only three examples of a number of companies that carry Tocomin SupraBio. There are other products in the markert with a combination of tocotrienol (Tocomin) with other ingredients / phytonutrients. What is most important is that when you purchase the product - ensure that it carries the logo and tradename - Tocomin or Tocomin Suprabio on the product label.

This would ensure that you are getting the right product with ingredients that are with proven science.


I have read elsewhere that tocopherol will only get in tocotrienol's way when it is present in ratio greater than 30%, and in the effect of reducing cholesterol, not sure if it may affect hair regrowth since the mechanisms are different. But this Tocomin SupraBio has tocopherol at ratio below 30%.

- cheers!




So, one issue we need to figure out is whether the tocopherol really does inhibit the functionality of the tocotrienol complex in percentages higher than 30%. And another issue is whether this NCI product is legitimate or not. I'm not sure why it wouldn't be, particularly when the people at Carotech specifically recommend it. Any thoughts?

It's published that vitamin E when there's more than 30% inhibits the absorption of tocotrienols. I read that study. I could find it if pressed.

That's why I take tocotrienols first thing in the morning with a few other supplements but NOT with vitamin E. The tocotrienols naturally are accompanied by a little vitamin E in the palm oil source, but not enough E to impede absorption of the tocotrienols.

So there are several companies that have licensed the Tocomin SupraBio. So just look for Tocomin SupraBio if you want to be sure what you're getting. I also had detailed communication with the Carotech people. He presented data to me that showed that they had enhanced their product's absorption so that their product was about three times better utilized than some other tocotrienol products, such as DeltaGold.

[Conpecia]

Sounds good, doesitwork.

2020, do you think a company like carotech that has the capacity to engineer a vitamin complex would at the same time pay actual, physical money to someone like mrmanns to come here and talk about beard hair? Clandestine found a study, posted it, and people are weighing in. Some, like me, see it as worth 10 dollars a month to try out. If it doesn't work, I'll be the first one to say so. I'm all for a good conspiracy theory but man, you gotta pick your battles.

[clandestine]

Conpecia; Which product do you think you'll end up going with? Sorry if you've already mentioned previously.

[Conpecia]

Conpecia; Which product do you think you'll end up going with? Sorry if you've already mentioned previously.

http://www.vitacost.com/Vitacost-Tocomin-SupraBio-Palm-Tocotrienol-Complex-60-mg-120-Softgels

This is what I'm rolling with; been taking it since Monday night. Nothing to report so far, but it's been 5 days, and we're talking about an 8 month experiment.

Also on Propecia and Nizoral. Propecia has worked wonders for me. I've been taking it since I was about 21 and just turned 27. My crown, which was thinning rapidly (terrifying to take a shower back then) has stabilized and remained the same in those six years, and I've had no side effects (apparently the sides are a big deal around here, guess I was one of the lucky ones).

My hairline is a different story... slowly going, but enough remains to make an effort with stuff like this, which might thwart the necessity of a transplant and allow me to ride the wave to 2015/16 and the new treatments.

Just started Nizoral about two months ago. Went through a small shed, nothing major, and am giving this about 6 months before I post any kind of result.

I think the big key is to go with something that has Tocomin Suprabio specifically. The NSI stuff was pretty cheap, and seemed to reflect the same complex used in this study everyone is throwing around, so I figured I'll bite the bullet and give it a shot. If nothing else, I get plenty of vitamin E

[Conpecia]

EDIT:

For clarity, the "NSI stuff" is the vitacost brand. It's produced by Nutraceutical Sciences Institute. Sorry for any confusion.

[67mph]

...in response to this thread and it's posts...i'm none the wiser!

Hope no one, and none of you take offence with my response but there it is.

Hairloss and the research involved is one huge mine field and this thread is a prime example, i just don't know where to go with the informative and uninformative information!?

That said, good luck guys, 57mph

[2020]

EDIT:

For clarity, the "NSI stuff" is the vitacost brand. It's produced by Nutraceutical Sciences Institute. Sorry for any confusion.

why didn't you edit your previous post instead of making a new post...

[Conpecia]

Because I was on my cell phone and it's quicker that way.