Is HASCI for real?

[Sogeking]

I've just seen Nov 5th photos of gc83uk on the other site.
He posted the picture of his grafts, not of his donor region. I am aware that he has scaring alopecia so maybe not all of the grafts will take. ALthough of the 700 grafts he got implented there is barely 70 of them growing. I guess we will see in next 2-3 months...

@needhairasap
I see you are going for a consultation with Gho? Is that true?

[Tracy C]

What you do right now Tracy is actually slowing down the progress, because instead of saying "Give it a shot and others should adopt it" you feel that its ok for clinics to offer FUT and scalp tattoos over going another route.

Now you have put words into my mouth. That is extraordinarily unethical. You just lost any credibility you might have had.

[RichardDawkins]

Well then you have to stick with Armani pictures where before and after pictues differ in position, light and sharpness.

Also results are important but the essential thing "If it works" is more important because when the essential thing works, you dont have problems.

And i think Wesley Sneijder is pretty damn convincing, he waars his hairs short und stressfull situations and it looks good, he is a NW5 patient thats for sure.

What you do right now Tracy is actually slowing down the progress, because instead of saying "Give it a shot and others should adopt it" you feel that its ok for clinics to offer FUT and scalp tattoos over going another route.

I can guarantee you that this kind of attitude will pretty much bite your sugar ass in the future :-)

Right now at this moment i would only focus on HST/HSI and HM in general if i dont wanna wake up in the future and shout out loud " **** ME and MY LIFE"

Because all those "lucky" patients today who went to a FUT butcher for example, will have some serious problems in the future.

The evidence is not weak at best, the evidence is actually one of the corner stones of all HM researching companies like Replicel, Histogen etc, so you say that their protocolls are also weak at best?

Nothing works better? Sorry but if you take a look at the scientific papers and also look at the dossiers of diferent patients you would clearly see its the opposite.

Anyway, you say its not better, but how come that downtime with HST/HSI is even lesser then with FUE, so it is superior to FUE, if we dont pay attention to donor regeneration.

And some docs dismiss this, for me its a clear example of CASE CLOSED because i am right.

If i had 50k and a clinic, i would adopt this techniue for two simple reasons
1) if it would be a scam, m rep would go up and my trust from patients therefore more patients

2) If this works i would have a money printing machine on hand, especially when i would offer my HST for lesser dollars per Graft then your average FUE doc therefore i could also expand and train oder surgeons as well for 50k or less

But a lot of surgeons are like Rassman, dont invest anything but rather butcher em.

Anyway i believe in Gho, so its not my problem, you gotta do what you gotta do :-)

[Sogeking]

Yup we need a lot of photographic evidence. And to be honest if Ghos method works there is no hurry. Since he is using the donor region which is DHT resistant. We all have time, the next move is on Gho. And if it does work I do hope it becomes cheaper.
If any of the future treatments work they will most surely be cheaper then multiple HSI sessions with Gho... However it is always nice to have a backup.

So I'm waiting guys. That is the only thing most of us here do 'cos we ain't got no choice. Let us hope its worth it...

[Follicle Death Row]

Surely if they could produce such a photographic result that we're all looking for then Gho would produce it to convince us. Makes me wonder.

[Tracy C]

Okay, for the last time....everybody please listen...

We are listening. The evidence being offered is weak at best. The results do not look any better than the results of any other treatment. There is nothing about these photos that says "this works better". Sorry, but it is what it is.

Reading papers is not going to do it. Hard evidence would be in the form of before and after photos, including post op photos one, two and three years after treatment. No one is offering that. All you are saying is "read the papers". Those papers mean nothing without before and after photos and post op photos one, two and three years after treatment.

I'm sorry, Dr. Gho has to do better if he needs to convince anyone to adopt his treatment protocol.

[Follicle Death Row]

I think this could be real (I hope so anyway). I will believe it truly when I see say 8000 grafts atop a former norwood 6 with a full looking donor. 4 years to do it. Let's see it.

[NeedHairASAP]

I am not dismissing Dr. Gho, but no one has offered any hard evidence. Not even Dr. Gho himself. For this technique to catch on, there needs to be hard evidence.

Okay, for the last time....everybody please listen...

GHO HAS CLOSE UP PHOTOGRAPHS OF EXTRACTED SITES REGENERATING in his latest peer reviewed paper-- evidence doesn't get much harder. click the link, page 4

The close up photos are harder evidence for Gho than before after photos. Armani has many macro before and after photos that look good enough that he could claim he regenerates hair... he could easily lie to somebody like you who thinks that type of photography is evidence of regeneration.



Also, compare the photos on Gho's site with other cases of patients getting less than 2000 grafts and you'll notice he is on par with everyone else as far as results. But if you want real hard evidence that backs his claim of regeneration... read the papers-- read something.





If some massively rich guy got treatments every year since HST was available, and he went every successive year as soon as his donor was eligible again... we would just now in the next year or so be able to see his nw7 to nw1 transformation.... do the math....

also, this person would not only have had to economize his time perfectly over the years but would have to be willing to have his face posted in before and after photos all over the internet.... not something I would do in his shoes.... if he exists








the guy posts peer reviewed articles with close up photos of regeneration and everybody just keeps yelling about how he has no evidence...I can see why Gho is frustrated and somewhat gave up trying to convince people via this forum medium

[RichardDawkins]

Then read the scientific papers didi read them and take some time with them.

Hair regeneration is actually not a miracle per se, but until now it wasnt that much in the focus of attention. With cosmetical surgeries becoming more and more popular, its of course natural that people get into hair regeneration as well.

Just take a look at the time line, this all started around 2001/2002 and before that people didnt even know anything about stem cells.

In the near future a full head of hair will be along the lines of liposuction etc. For example FIn and Minox are very primitive accidental discoveries and they can regrow on a very small scale and stop hair loss.

And now do your math, if those topical and oral things can help mildly but they can held, what can a root oriented approach do? Yes it can reverse hair loss.

Also this 20% figure people are pised about, is actually 2 stps on the NW scale, for example NW7 to NW5 etc.
Of course a lot of shit can be grown on mice we all know that, but to grow hair on areas where even under abnormal circumstances no hair would gow like mice feet etc, you can pretty much say that the key to a cell solution is almost done.

And those cell based approaches are also aiming for a hair loss stop which will become pretty much the thing after injections, even Histogen with their early primitive protocoll got this covered.

Thats btw one of the reasons why gho is doing and experimenting with HSI, because this is less time consuming, faster and can be an automated process.

Hair regeneration and to get a full head of hair is not impossible like rasman and his homies always wanted to make believe.

[Tracy C]

I read stuff on this forum but still confused...

Six pages and still no answer to your concern.

[RichardDawkins]

But this i definitely not my agenda, sorry. All i can do is follow the science and thats it.

Its up to anyone else what he/she is going to do with the available informations. Facts are that donor regenration is not a high tech idea with now science backup.

Some FUE clinics git this covered on a small scale before Gho for example but it wasnt consistent.

As you can see with Dr Cole, he also has some regrowth but it varies. And variation is nothing what you can sell people. People want a definitely NUMBER

[Tracy C]

And nope Tracy i dont wanna convice you either...

It has to start somewhere...

[Tracy C]

please stop with the jabs at these people not being celebrity enough for you.

You are missing the point. It seems like to might actually be hiding from the point.

...but no "before and after photos". At the very least a girl needs to see before and after photos. At the very least a girl needs to see some post op photos two or three years after.

^ This is the point.

I am not dismissing Dr. Gho, but no one has offered any hard evidence. Not even Dr. Gho himself. For this technique to catch on, there needs to be hard evidence.

[NeedHairASAP]

Also you can take a look at this blog

http://hairmultiplicationnews.wordpress.com/

ha, this is your blog dawkins. I can tell from the bad english.

"Informations", in your title, should be singular-- information.

[RichardDawkins]

Also you can take a look at this blog

http://hairmultiplicationnews.wordpress.com/