Spencer Kobren Interviews Dr. Gary Hitzig - The Future of ACell for Hair Loss

[RichardDawkins]

Ok seriously this is a shill or SpanishDude because he uses the same tactics, telling lies.

I know i have harsh language often but this guy here.........no way i can let this slip.

Also you didnt answer my question, when did you have your procedure with Cooley done?

No Rassman is not overly pessimistic, he is just an complete asshole who bashed Dr Woods doing FUE and stole FUE later on. The guy who is selling scalp tattoos because he is retiring soon? Are ou saying this guy is da shit? he is just a sack full of shit.

Yeah Gho is a liar? In the EU where every single cosmetical pocedure done wrong can close down a clinic in a blink of an eye, this guy goes onto television, claims he can do hm only to rip off people?

Guess what Dr Bazan the faker didnt do advertise this big, nor did he answer simple uestions in interviews, because he knew he was doing jackshit.

Gho does it n another way he even published a scientific paper ith some guy from a UNIVERSITY, guess what happens with this guy at the university if he would cheat, correct he would lose everything.

Also how do you explain those regenerated Grafts in this HSI patient? Accident, mishappen or what?

Why should Cole being sucked into this? He was a very vivid sceptic first he overanalysed almost the entire thing he then got in touch with them and he witnessed benefits, but as he admts NOT as consistent as that he says " A guarantee for all"

Is this scam behavior? Nope i dont think so, btw why should Cole being sucked into this he has good results and a shitload of patients anyway.

I give ou an answer, because this kind of HM will be supportive to ARI, Histogen and Replicel stuff. And i doubt that you want to be a FUt clinic in an era of cell solutions.

15.000 Grafts in 3 years? are you insane? This would equal 5000 extracted grafts and 5000 little recipient holes on your head, this equals 10.000 little holes, how should your body heal correctly.

Btw another one for you, Gho doent offer his mini test anymore to the majority of patients because he believes in his claims.

So admit it, you lied to us out of personal motives, let me guess you are pissed because it took em so long and Gho is too expensive.

Well Sherlock if you try those stunts, then you wont accomplish anything at all.

So tell us the truth

[maxhair]

Spence mentioned in a show that he doesn't care what some FUE guys are claiming, strip is more reliable.

Cole was the high profile player making the most aggressive claims about FUE matching strip survival rates - so it seemed to be directed at Cole.

[tbtadmin]

Inaccurate Statement

Cole was claiming he can get 97% FUE success, which Spencer rejects, so it would not be the first time Cole has over-egged the pudding.

This is a completely inaccurate statement. Spencer Kobren has never rejected Dr. Cole's personal FUE/ FIT data.

[maxhair]

i'm new to this stuff, and i have to admit, you are starting to sound like a shill.

I thought Dr Rassman's views were overly pessimistic, and ignored them, but now, having been a little bit misled and ripped off by the outwardly respectable and reputable Cooley (the guy has a lot of industry awards and certificates on his wall), I would say Rassman probably has things about right in terms of predictions for the future - although I hope he's proved overly cautious by quick successes with Replicel, Histogen, Aderans etc - watch out for bald men getting full heads of hair.

Can Gho do a .6mm FUE? Dunno. Possibly. I hope so. Getting an accurate idea of the success rate of these tiny FUEs will be virtually impossible from Gho though, as I believe, having researched and met him, that he is a habitual liar.

10 out of 10 for Hitzig butchering feckless volunteers over the years in an informal ongoing clinical trial, but 0 out of 10 for claiming he's got something when he hasn't.

Dr Cole getting results with Acell?

I doubt it. Watch out for men getting 15,000 FUEs within a 3 year time frame, and Dr Cole becoming a household name.

Remember, Hitzig has claimed he could get multiple hairs from a single FUE - I emailed him on this claim and heard nothing back. Fake, fake, fake. Now he's saying Cole is excited about getting one hair from one FUE hole.

I think Cole has been sucked into Hitzig and Cooley's bullshit stakes, in order to get men in the chair.

Cole was claiming he can get 97% FUE success, which Spencer rejects, so it would not be the first time Cole has over-egged the pudding.

Don't believe the hype. Do believe the average or poor density N6 or 7 transformations to N1 hairlines - so that makes zero home runs and counting.

I salute anyone prepared to experiment on themselves too.

May a home DIYer discover the cure, then give that info away for free.

And may this community get a damn site more skeptical, and tell all those quacks out there to go back to the drawing board, because they no longer have the benefit of our doubt - and they're not getting any more of our money until they prove they deserve it.


And to all the surgeons doing tests, they are tests, so you do not charge.

[Follicle Death Row]

Thats pretty much what I'm thinking. Granted, I'm at an early stage of the balding process and have had really good results with medication, so I guess I'm someone that can afford to wait for those potential treatments in the coming years. Histogen, Replicel, Aderans, and Follica are all going through double blind clinical trials, and they have real scientific minds behind them like Costerolis and Hoffman. That makes me much more confident in those treatments.

I don't know about Acell. I'm not really inclined to believe either Hitzig or Rassman. Hitzig has thrown out some hyperbole previously over Acell, and Rassman definitely comes across as having a big ego and quite resistant to potential new treatments that he had no role in discovering. So yeah, like others, I want to see what Cooley and Cole have to say about the results they've achieved (I think Spencer is, or has already done a new interview with Cooley) and if Rassman actually contacted them about how to work with this and how it can be improved. Even though the plucking part doesn't work in completely bald parts of the scalp, if the plucking can work in areas with hair and the acell solution can promote better donor healing and create good donor regeneration, that's still significantly better than what we currently have with hair transplants.

Acell is still a question mark, but I won't write it off just yet.

That's pretty much how I feel about the whole scenario too. Well put.

[Follicle Death Row]

I agree that we shouldn't be attacking new posters or anything, but a lot of these posts here sound very suspicious. Like saying Gho admitted that his methods are B.S. That's absolutely ridiculous! Or attacking Spencer's credibility? That's absolute B.S. too. Man, if every doctor or companies was as devoted as Spencer is to cure hair loss, then we would've had a cure a long time ago. Like I said, some of these posts here are very, very shill-like.

True. I think it's stating the obvious that the Gho comments are preposterous. I think we can all see that. I tend to just skip over those posts and avoid the flaming wars that ensue. The threads only tend to descend into anarchy. Like that BaldingBackwards poster. I just ignore him completely. He has to be on the biggest wind up of all time.

[DepressedByHairLoss]

I agree that we shouldn't be attacking new posters or anything, but a lot of these posts here sound very suspicious. Like saying Gho admitted that his methods are B.S. That's absolutely ridiculous! Or attacking Spencer's credibility? That's absolute B.S. too. Man, if every doctor or companies was as devoted as Spencer is to cure hair loss, then we would've had a cure a long time ago. Like I said, some of these posts here are very, very shill-like.

[Follicle Death Row]

Quote "And yes, Gho did meet me, and did reveal to me (inadvertently) that he had no faith in his own claims about splitting hairs and getting both to grow, and that he did not want the forums to know about it."

Ahem are you kidding me? Gho is operating on people who got media attention and you tell me he said that to you?

He Dr Rassman, net time try to be more subtle. I read only one thing here " You say that Gho said this to you because you kno when we test it and its lgit, no one will go to your scalp tattoos anymore for your retirement fund

Oh and btw if you listen to th interview, even Dr Hitzig was shocked and couldnt believe what Rassman wrote on his blog

@ the rest of the people here : Dont ever dare to attack me, when i expose such lousy shills here.

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Anyway WHAT exacly happened? You contradict yourself big time.

1) If none of the plucked hairs grow, its imposible that they shed over time, they would have fallen out after the transplantation like transplanted hairs do

2) What time of operation was it then? If it was in the beginnings, then guess what THINGS DEVELOP OVER TIME, but tell us WHEN did you had this transplant with plucked hairs? Which year?

3) Cole never fully mentioned " Impossible" he said something like he will look into it cautiosly, and he got hammered for this, even by me.

4) The whole NW7 NW6 tatement again? This argument is so old, did you look at Dean Saunders lately? He is a NW6 Work in progress with multiple sessions planned from Gho, even before the first session result was in (very not believing in his own claims this Gho dude right?)

5) Your whole TEST it if it works HMMMMMMMMM you are SpanishDude because he says the exact same crap at hairsite with his 50 Grafts test session, Welcome Back banned SpanishDude welcome back, we dont want ou here

6) Wrong, stem cell and hair loss is only targete in this decade because before that there was no market and no interest but with seeing more and more through its financially good for companies to come up with something where an unlimited stream of customers will come.

Remember, if Fin and Minox could cause small regrowth as toppics and oral what ever drugs, imagine what a thing could do which goes to the Root (no pun intended) of the problem.

And why doHistogen pictures look more suspicious then Cooleys Acell pictures? Any explanation or standard out of your ass talk Rassman or SpanishDude or whatever shill faker you are.

I'm not attacking you Dawkins. You might be right on this guy. We're just wasting our time and the threads tend to go off topic and descend into chaos too often when these flaming wars with people that come on here with these stories. That's all I meant by give it a break. New posters with such stories do tend to arouse suspicions but as I can't say for sure so I won't go the pointing finger at him. The thing that sounds ridiculous is for sure Gho supposedly 'fessing up. No way that happened but let's keep it civil and remain on topic. We won't achieve anything by blasting this newbie whether his story is true, partly true or completely fabricated.

What we do know form the ISHRS metting in Alaska is that Acell has not been the success that Cooley originally thought it would be but that doesn't mean that it can't help FUE yield or maybe it could add density to transplanted hair by autocloning in the crown for example. As a standalone it won't cut it though, especially given it's tedious and slow process and with Replicel and Aderans on the horizon. The reasons I listed are a concern about Acell though. I due wonder about the donor dominance issue.

Now back to the main focus here; Dr. Hitzig's claims seem ridiculous given he has backed up absolutely nothing over the years. Hitzig and Rassman may have differing opinions on Acell but they are one and the same in the cash extraction methods they employ; PRP & Acell and SMP. At least PRP & Acell won't mess your scalp up like SMP but that's not much of a consolation either when you go for PRP & Acell with a FUT procedure and it doesn't turn out as you had hoped. At least with plucking alone no harm is done if it doesn't work except a hole your wallet.

Long story short, Acell doesn't look like being what we had hoped. We still have dick all. As for Gho we still have to wait for results. Hopefully Replicel will be the silver bullet. In theory and animal models it works fantastically so let's keep the faith. Might be an interesting little stock option now especially if they have good news for us in March/April. Fingers crossed.

[DepressedByHairLoss]

I was kind of skeptical of Dr. Hitzig since his reputation isn't the greatest. I've read on the internet about several botched hair transplants of his, that have left patients scarred for life. But I will give him credit, at least he is willing to try something new and that isn't complete bullshit like laser therapy, head tattoos, or "all natural" shampoos. That being said, I don't think plucking/Acell is gonna be the answer that we're looking for. With this method, you're still limited by the amount of follicles that you have on your head. 'If you pluck one follicle, then treat the wounded area with Acell, then a new follicle is supposed to arise'. That is my understanding of how Acell works. Even if this works, then the follicle that is regenerated would still be located on the sides or back of the head, where hair loss is not experienced in the first place. Then, what is supposed to happen? Doctors are supposed to re-pluck the regenerated follicle and move it to the bald/balding area? And they're supposed to keep plucking and re-plucking regenerated follicles until something close to a full head of hair is achieved? This is just not feasible, is very invasive and labor-insentive, and just simply wouldn't work, IMO. If doctors are looking to cure hair loss, then I really think they're barking up the wrong tree with these transplantation methods. You're always gonna be limited in one way or another by how much native hair you actually have. That's why I really think solutions like Histogen (who attempt revive dormant hair follicles) and Replicel (who attempt to create new follicles and revive dormant ones) are gonna have the answers that we're looking for. But as I've said before, I will give any doctor credit for trying something new and potentially more effective, as most HT doctors keep offering the same old hair transplant over and over again. Although I realize that PRP isn't working that well, I really give Dr. Greco credit for trying it out, especially since the science behind it is solid (such chemicals found in PRP like IGF, VEGF, and FGF have been thought to stimulate hair growth). PRP is something that I really wouldn't give up on, especially since it's non-invasive, doesn't cost an arm and a leg, and doesn't leave any permanent damage. Finally, some one one here spoke about 'shills' and I gotta say, some of these comments on here sound very, very 'shill-like'. And BTW, don't even get me started on Rassman. That guy claims doctors are ripping people off by still offering PRP, yet this guy is offering something as ridiculous as head tattooing. Talk about hypocritical.

[RichardDawkins]

Quote "And yes, Gho did meet me, and did reveal to me (inadvertently) that he had no faith in his own claims about splitting hairs and getting both to grow, and that he did not want the forums to know about it."

Ahem are you kidding me? Gho is operating on people who got media attention and you tell me he said that to you?

He Dr Rassman, net time try to be more subtle. I read only one thing here " You say that Gho said this to you because you kno when we test it and its lgit, no one will go to your scalp tattoos anymore for your retirement fund

Oh and btw if you listen to th interview, even Dr Hitzig was shocked and couldnt believe what Rassman wrote on his blog

@ the rest of the people here : Dont ever dare to attack me, when i expose such lousy shills here.

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Anyway WHAT exacly happened? You contradict yourself big time.

1) If none of the plucked hairs grow, its imposible that they shed over time, they would have fallen out after the transplantation like transplanted hairs do

2) What time of operation was it then? If it was in the beginnings, then guess what THINGS DEVELOP OVER TIME, but tell us WHEN did you had this transplant with plucked hairs? Which year?

3) Cole never fully mentioned " Impossible" he said something like he will look into it cautiosly, and he got hammered for this, even by me.

4) The whole NW7 NW6 tatement again? This argument is so old, did you look at Dean Saunders lately? He is a NW6 Work in progress with multiple sessions planned from Gho, even before the first session result was in (very not believing in his own claims this Gho dude right?)

5) Your whole TEST it if it works HMMMMMMMMM you are SpanishDude because he says the exact same crap at hairsite with his 50 Grafts test session, Welcome Back banned SpanishDude welcome back, we dont want ou here

6) Wrong, stem cell and hair loss is only targete in this decade because before that there was no market and no interest but with seeing more and more through its financially good for companies to come up with something where an unlimited stream of customers will come.

Remember, if Fin and Minox could cause small regrowth as toppics and oral what ever drugs, imagine what a thing could do which goes to the Root (no pun intended) of the problem.

And why doHistogen pictures look more suspicious then Cooleys Acell pictures? Any explanation or standard out of your ass talk Rassman or SpanishDude or whatever shill faker you are.

[dkayla77]

i'm new to this stuff, and i have to admit, you are starting to sound like a shill.

[NeedHairASAP]

The plucked hair fell out or shed gradually in waves, but none ever grew.

At time of operation, Cole was saying there was no evidence it worked, so was not in the mix.

And yes, Gho did meet me, and did reveal to me (inadvertently) that he had no faith in his own claims about splitting hairs and getting both to grow, and that he did not want the forums to know about it.

My advice, is to wait until you see N6s or 7s getting full heads of hair and then verify where and how they had it done. Then, go for a small test with whoever shows these results, and if it works on you too, get a larger area done.

Remember, just because a newly licensed drug may be involved, is no evidence of efficacy. Some chairman of a multinational drug company admitted once, that 95% of licensed drugs are ineffective.

Also, those companies who conduct clinical trials are sponsored by the new drug manufacturer, so the trial will be designed to the manufacturers' whims, and the bad or ineffective or incomplete results will often be minimized or disappeared with a multitude of tricks.

My suspicion is, that as baldness is not generally life-threatening, and that results are hard to monitor, this will leave much more room for industry lies about effectiveness, even into this new stem cell age (which is proving harder for the scientists than we'd hoped).

Histogen pics for instance, look suspect (worst than Cooley's Acell ones), and no one else has even shown any pics.

I have stated repeatedly, that I will show my pictures to anyone here, but do not want them going on the internet. That should be proof enough to any one individual who is seriously doubting that I'm telling the truth about my experience.

Don't placate HT docs making false claims any longer. Tell them to go away and come back with something that works if they want any further interview time.

what is this? the balding blog? get out of here dr. rassman

[maxhair]

AHA you answered it yourself FollicleDeathRow.

Compare your valuable posting and statement with the statement of maxhair.

What do you see? Correct, your posting is valuable and smart and it contains of informations, while the other postings were just "Your average anonymous Out of the Ass Talk"

In your case we actually see that you gathered some informations before, but maxhair just says random implanted phrases and thats the difference. I am not attacking your statement, but i attack such lousy efforts which can be seen through.

If you had a bad experience with plucked hairs and Cooles, you would already come to the forum and discuss this. Also its strange that this one guy got PLUCKED hairs with Cooley, something pretty new, went to Gho and then strangely Cooley plcuked hairs failed and Gho told this guy the darkest secrets ever
Sorry i dont do this kind of stuff to many strange coincidences here.

Also why does this patient go with single pluckes hairs which are more expensive then with HST which is compared lesser expensive and the downtime is also minimal?

you know the nearer we get to a solution, the more desperate the attempts of shills are to distract everything.

Naaaaaa sorry when people without any proof make really harsh claims in their first posting ever, while science says otherwise, i simply dont believe them.

Also another thing to chew on, before Rassman said "hairs need to be close to each other when plucked" NOBODY NOBODY said anything regarding this, AND NOW OUT OF SUDDEN someone omes up with his whole " OHHHHHHHHHH IT DIDNT WORK on me"

Also in this interview, Hitzig is not promoting his BS Acell PRP injections wonder why? Simple he knows its effect is only very minor.

Also this poster here, why didnt he attack Dr Cole who also posted a picture of a regenerated black Knub? Can tell you why, because then his lie would be over the top. I mean come on, how far are chances that this scenario would occur

1) Get an appointment with Gho were he tells you all the dark secrets
2) Get to Cole who dont have regrowth not even black knubs
3) Get hair plucking procedure done by Cooley which failed and the hairs were thinking " Ok Guys 8 months lets fall out"

Right

The plucked hair fell out or shed gradually in waves, but none ever grew.

At time of operation, Cole was saying there was no evidence it worked, so was not in the mix.

And yes, Gho did meet me, and did reveal to me (inadvertently) that he had no faith in his own claims about splitting hairs and getting both to grow, and that he did not want the forums to know about it.

My advice, is to wait until you see N6s or 7s getting full heads of hair and then verify where and how they had it done. Then, go for a small test with whoever shows these results, and if it works on you too, get a larger area done.

Remember, just because a newly licensed drug may be involved, is no evidence of efficacy. Some chairman of a multinational drug company admitted once, that 95% of licensed drugs are ineffective.

Also, those companies who conduct clinical trials are sponsored by the new drug manufacturer, so the trial will be designed to the manufacturers' whims, and the bad or ineffective or incomplete results will often be minimized or disappeared with a multitude of tricks.

My suspicion is, that as baldness is not generally life-threatening, and that results are hard to monitor, this will leave much more room for industry lies about effectiveness, even into this new stem cell age (which is proving harder for the scientists than we'd hoped).

Histogen pics for instance, look suspect (worst than Cooley's Acell ones), and no one else has even shown any pics.

I have stated repeatedly, that I will show my pictures to anyone here, but do not want them going on the internet. That should be proof enough to any one individual who is seriously doubting that I'm telling the truth about my experience.

Don't placate HT docs making false claims any longer. Tell them to go away and come back with something that works if they want any further interview time.

[RichardDawkins]

AHA you answered it yourself FollicleDeathRow.

Compare your valuable posting and statement with the statement of maxhair.

What do you see? Correct, your posting is valuable and smart and it contains of informations, while the other postings were just "Your average anonymous Out of the Ass Talk"

In your case we actually see that you gathered some informations before, but maxhair just says random implanted phrases and thats the difference. I am not attacking your statement, but i attack such lousy efforts which can be seen through.

If you had a bad experience with plucked hairs and Cooles, you would already come to the forum and discuss this. Also its strange that this one guy got PLUCKED hairs with Cooley, something pretty new, went to Gho and then strangely Cooley plcuked hairs failed and Gho told this guy the darkest secrets ever
Sorry i dont do this kind of stuff to many strange coincidences here.

Also why does this patient go with single pluckes hairs which are more expensive then with HST which is compared lesser expensive and the downtime is also minimal?

you know the nearer we get to a solution, the more desperate the attempts of shills are to distract everything.

Naaaaaa sorry when people without any proof make really harsh claims in their first posting ever, while science says otherwise, i simply dont believe them.

Also another thing to chew on, before Rassman said "hairs need to be close to each other when plucked" NOBODY NOBODY said anything regarding this, AND NOW OUT OF SUDDEN someone omes up with his whole " OHHHHHHHHHH IT DIDNT WORK on me"

Also in this interview, Hitzig is not promoting his BS Acell PRP injections wonder why? Simple he knows its effect is only very minor.

Also this poster here, why didnt he attack Dr Cole who also posted a picture of a regenerated black Knub? Can tell you why, because then his lie would be over the top. I mean come on, how far are chances that this scenario would occur

1) Get an appointment with Gho were he tells you all the dark secrets
2) Get to Cole who dont have regrowth not even black knubs
3) Get hair plucking procedure done by Cooley which failed and the hairs were thinking " Ok Guys 8 months lets fall out"

Right

[Follicle Death Row]

Give it a rest Dawkins. I can think of numerous reasons why it might not work. For starters there may not be enough dermal pappilae to form new hairs after the first hair sheds. Fully functioning hair follicles may not actually form or thirdly when only transplanting plucked hairs donor dominance may not persist and it may form hybrid follicles that are sensitive to DHT since it is in a bald section of scalp. That would explain why transplanting to a scarred strip area would cycle; it is a DHT resistant area.

Maybe we should leave the science of getting this solved to the real researchers and scientists rather than have these docs pricking around with patients.