Gho HSi patient had close up pictures

[RichardDawkins]

People who run into FUT Mills

[Kiwi]

Hmm some people here are smart and others are just stupid. Kiwi is the latter category for sure.

HST is expensive thats correct, but if you want it to be cheaper well you have to demand it from your clinics, but as long as people here attack each other, the will stay bald or will be "happy" with getting hairs transplanted from A to B.

Hmmm if i recall it so far we have :

GhO : Redefining his HST, offering or testing HSI, Increase Graft number, price tag stays the same

Other: Not even interested in Acell, offering FUT and scalp tattoos, offering big hole FUE etc etc

Yawn clear case and now Kiwi excuse me i have to take a shower because i feel somehow dirty right after talking to you

Then you have the douche bags like dorkins that jump to conclusions and try to tell people companies like Histogen are dead.

You do the maths folks. Who's reeeealy the dumb one?

[RichardDawkins]

Ok lets say you have 4000 Grafts in the real safe zone and you can harvest each of them 4 times......equals 16.000 Grafts aka around 32.000 hairs from irigin 100.000 hairs on your head.

Hmmm i say problem solved

[NeedHairASAP]

How do follicular units react to splitting. Are there some negative effects of follicles which are split, can both of halves or parts act like a new follicle?

a. if you are not multiplying hairs but simply splitting Follicular Units THEN for example....if you have a FU with 4 hairs, you graft "split" hairs....two hairs regenerate in the donor and the "split" follicles will regenerate 2 hairs in the recipient.. thusly no actual increase in the amount of hair

b. the negative aspect is that you aren't actually increasing the donor... but whether he is splitting or multiplying there is no negative affects on the cosmetic characteristics of the follicles (the follicles are just as strong, thick, dark, etc.)

c. yes both hairs will act like a new follicle but there will be no "multiplication" of the finite amount of follicles that you have...



BUT if gho isn't merely splitting Follicular Units... if he transects and all of the hairs in the original FU grow back AND the tissue transplanted to the recipient also grows hairs THEN you have hair multiplication




this is really the only question left to ask about Gho... as there is definitely something popping out of the HST graft scars... but is Gho multiplying or simply leaving half behind? He claims to be multiplying...and we hope that he is multiplying.. and it is very possible he is multiplying... and his claims are the same claims made my italian scientists who tested the same procedure






HOWEVER even if gho is multiplying and not splitting.... he will only be able to harvest the same hair so many times. Maybe three or four times (or maybe more) before, as you mentioned, you traumatize the FU too much for it to regenerate

[Sogeking]

we have plenty of evidence


Its really a question of if Gho is regenerating each follicle extracted or just splitting follicular units...

How do follicular units react to splitting. Are there some negative effects of follicles which are split, can both of halves or parts act like a new follicle?

[RichardDawkins]

Hmm some people here are smart and others are just stupid. Kiwi is the latter category for sure.

HST is expensive thats correct, but if you want it to be cheaper well you have to demand it from your clinics, but as long as people here attack each other, the will stay bald or will be "happy" with getting hairs transplanted from A to B.

Hmmm if i recall it so far we have :

GhO : Redefining his HST, offering or testing HSI, Increase Graft number, price tag stays the same

Other: Not even interested in Acell, offering FUT and scalp tattoos, offering big hole FUE etc etc

Yawn clear case and now Kiwi excuse me i have to take a shower because i feel somehow dirty right after talking to you

[NeedHairASAP]

Hey Stevie Dee.
This pictures are a move forward as far as I'm concerned. But why did Gho took grafts from donor area in two stripes? You can see that the back of the head looks like a road with two lanes and grassy patch. I guess it is a good metaphore.

However I would like to see pictures from further away, I would like to see scalp pictures and I would like to see pictures before the OP, and after the OP in the next 3,6 and 9 months time if it is possible.
My problem with Dr. Gho has always been lack of photographic evidence. The kind that is visible from countless of doctors on this very forum on the index page.

We need multiple patients, we need to assess the HST procedure through multiple examinations after the procedure( as I said above, some kind of checkpoints every 3 months going on for several years).

The next questions is, how do we know that donor hair that sprouts back is going to stay on. Because I believe Dr. Cole said that after plucking your hair out for a few times, new ones do not grow back. And can we use that hair again as donor grafts. If we cannot, then this is at best a procedure that leaves your donor intact (still a good thing though), although we still face limited donor problem.


The last thing is the cost, I can't remember but I think that you can have maximally 2000 grafts per procedure. And it costs a lot. You have to take into account that everyone who is below NW5 will have to have atleast 5 procedures if the donor area allows it. That could cost as much as a new car. If Replicel, Histogen or Aderans come out on the market it will affect the prices of other procedures so we could all hope for a cheaper treatments in the future. No matter which ones remain as the best.


Thank you for the pictures Stevie but still what bothers me the most is your really bad, immature behaviour. Thats why no one takes you seriously. I hope you will work on that.

This is a move forward but still I remain cautious and sceptical, let us hope that in the years to come Gho will prove me wrong.

a. he took the grafts from different areas because it helps regeneration and healing in general... Gho (and every other FUE surgeon on earth) are plugging holes into your head... the more spread out these holes are the less stress, trauma, swelling per cm... Gho seems to be putting safety precautions in place like this that other docs could care less about... although when you think about all the little holes being put in your head speading them out like this in two areas seems like common sense no?


b. the donor hair that sprouts will definitely stay for at least a few procedures. You may extinguish the follicles ability to regenerate (much like with plucking) after you damage it multiple times.. however the hair that grows back with HST seems to be very well intact in the skin and not going anywhere...Id say its more of a question if gho is splitting hairs or regenerating each hair and how well those hairs yield in the recipient area



c. I've said it before... I'll pass up driving a mercedes for a full head of hair ANY DAY! bald guys in mercedes look like they're trying too hard to make up for their lack of hair anyway



d. yes he offers no more than 2,300 grafts I believe...which costs somewhere around 13,000 dollars...maybe less now that the euro tanked this last week... although he seems to suggest to celebrities to get no more than 1,700 at a time (both dean saunders and wesley shcneider did this, even tho they could afford the maximum) .... you could argue this is so he can make more money, or you could argue that its related to the idea of less holes in your head= less trauma and better healing/regeneration/yields.

Its hard to believe but maybe its win-win... Gho makes more money from offering low graft procedures... AND patients really do get a better quality HT in terms of yield/healing/regeneration rates.... sometimes (maybe even more than sometimes) capitalism works out this way



in general I can't see Gho trying to lie about this... if he was scaming he'd be avoiding high profile exposure and high profile patients... not trying to speed up the scam being found out

[NeedHairASAP]

WE all just need some evidence that it works. If this works we have nothing to lose only to gain. But we are all still waiting for evidence.

we have plenty of evidence


Its really a question of if Gho is regenerating each follicle extracted or just splitting follicular units... but there is DEFINITELY WITHOUT ANY QUESTION hair growing out of the HST graft wounds, several photos (from forum posters and Gho himself) corroborate this

[Sogeking]

WE all just need some evidence that it works. If this works we have nothing to lose only to gain. But we are all still waiting for evidence.

[Kiwi]

http://tressless.com/2010/04/27/unli...it-extraction/


I know this article may be old news to some, but it's worth reading if you haven't.

Looks like Gho is the real deal.

Nope it doesn't look like it at all.
It'll only look like it once we have peer reviewed photos.

Only thing that looks positive to us a hair transplant or histogen. And I've had a HT and I'll probably be getting another before HSC is ready for sale.

[BoSox]

http://tressless.com/2010/04/27/unlimited-donor-hair-from-coen-ghos-partial-unit-extraction/

I know this article may be old news to some, but it's worth reading if you haven't.

Looks like Gho is the real deal.

[Samiam]

I kinda feel bad f or dawkins, its like he's gone senile

[Sogeking]

Hey Stevie Dee.
This pictures are a move forward as far as I'm concerned. But why did Gho took grafts from donor area in two stripes? You can see that the back of the head looks like a road with two lanes and grassy patch. I guess it is a good metaphore.

However I would like to see pictures from further away, I would like to see scalp pictures and I would like to see pictures before the OP, and after the OP in the next 3,6 and 9 months time if it is possible.
My problem with Dr. Gho has always been lack of photographic evidence. The kind that is visible from countless of doctors on this very forum on the index page.

We need multiple patients, we need to assess the HST procedure through multiple examinations after the procedure( as I said above, some kind of checkpoints every 3 months going on for several years).

The next questions is, how do we know that donor hair that sprouts back is going to stay on. Because I believe Dr. Cole said that after plucking your hair out for a few times, new ones do not grow back. And can we use that hair again as donor grafts. If we cannot, then this is at best a procedure that leaves your donor intact (still a good thing though), although we still face limited donor problem.


The last thing is the cost, I can't remember but I think that you can have maximally 2000 grafts per procedure. And it costs a lot. You have to take into account that everyone who is below NW5 will have to have atleast 5 procedures if the donor area allows it. That could cost as much as a new car. If Replicel, Histogen or Aderans come out on the market it will affect the prices of other procedures so we could all hope for a cheaper treatments in the future. No matter which ones remain as the best.


Thank you for the pictures Stevie but still what bothers me the most is your really bad, immature behaviour. Thats why no one takes you seriously. I hope you will work on that.

This is a move forward but still I remain cautious and sceptical, let us hope that in the years to come Gho will prove me wrong.

[BoSox]

I really hope Replicel comes out soon, I can't stand all this bs on these forums. It's making everybody bitter :P

[UK Boy]

Dawkins rant

So Dawkins ranted at us but he still didn't answer our question as to why he isn't booked in with Gho to have this done. He really seems to have gone off the rails, all he does nowadays is rant and look for fights.