Gho HSi patient had close up pictures

[Delphi]

Gho has done nothing but create a buzz about a technique that is completely unproven and has no scientific evidence of working. RichardDawkins is just a naive and desperate person who thinks he knows more than anyone else on these forums when in fact he is probably just some sad lonely guy who gets off on being a forum celebrity and pain in the ass. Gho created a marketing gimmick and idiots like Dawkins are making him rich.

[RichardDawkins]

Go to their website. Download the science papers, download the videos.

Go to hair loss boards, search for Gho HSI HST or hasci and download the pictures.

I have to agree with one poster before me, now Gho had provided very much material and now its up to the surgeons to disproof Gho.

Btw they tend to say "Gho must proof it" yeah but hat should he do more what more?

Take a look at science literature they all know that follicles have the ability to fully regenerate themselve therefore even a NW7 guy can be fully restored to a dense NW1 over a long time span

But one thing is pretty clear, of course Gho is only offering smaller sessions for a higher price, but thats because no other one is offering it so i would do the same. Also its good for him because if others would offer it, guess what he could decrease the price or increase graft number because he knows how to tweak his procedure.

If you dont believe me, end an email to tissue engineering researchers, Histogen, Replicel or Aderans and ask them

"Do follicles have the ability to fully regenerate themselves?"

[elvispresley]

where are the images that prove the function of the gho tecnique?

WE NEED TO PUT ALL THE PHOTOS AND VIDEOS AND PROVES TOGHETER.

thx

[Follicle Death Row]

This I tend to agree with. Do you guys think that there is a risk that with such a small tool it could actually damage the follicle?

Yes for multis but that's how Gho's method works. You actually transect the follicle and circumvent the yield issues with a growth medium that enables robust growth in the recipient. The transection leaves behind enough dp cells to spring growth of the full follicle again in the donor supposedly. You must transect or damage to multiply seemingly.

When talking about just taking a single for sure you get more tissue with a bigger punch and this is good for yield in the recipient but no so good for white dotting in the donor. Perhaps Acell's best use will be improving yields with smaller punches on singles and helping to avoid hypopigmentation in the donor. This coupled with smaller extraction tools for singles and maybe 2 haired follicles seems to me to be a realistic application for Acell in practice today. Robust growth in the recipient and fantastic healing in the donor.

[Kiwi]

There's one thing about Gho's procedure no one can deny. It's by a mile the least invasive. I mean I have real difficulty trying to find which follicles where taken out on a shaved donor because there seems to be little to no hyperpimentation because the extraction tool is so damn small.

One thing other FUE doctors could definitely learn is going down to a 0.6mm or even small extraction tool for taking out singles for the hairline as transection never comes into the equation on singles. 1mm or even 0.9mm is unnecessary for singles.

This I tend to agree with. Do you guys think that there is a risk that with such a small tool it could actually damage the follicle?

[Follicle Death Row]

There's one thing about Gho's procedure no one can deny. It's by a mile the least invasive. I mean I have real difficulty trying to find which follicles where taken out on a shaved donor because there seems to be little to no hyperpimentation because the extraction tool is so damn small.

One thing other FUE doctors could definitely learn is going down to a 0.6mm or even small extraction tool for taking out singles for the hairline as transection never comes into the equation on singles. 1mm or even 0.9mm is unnecessary for singles.

[mlao]

By now you would think some of the patients in the videos that he presented
on his website would return for either a second procedure or to show the final
results of their first.

[Sogeking]

Replicel is better anyway

Replicel doesn't have phase 1 results yet. So it is all speculation.
And just in case it has pahse 1 results you would have to wait for phase 3 results to be sure enoguh to make this kinds of claims.

On the other hand I would like for Gho to get more media exposure, and for us to get a lot of photographic evidence.

Because guess what, Propecia had plentiful studies done, and i believe one had 48% of patients with hair regrowth, yet a big percentage of users are using Propecia to slow down hair loss. Not for hair regrowth, because if there is any it is minimal.

All I am saying is, whatever the treatment is the moment I'm gonna believe it works is when I get bunch of people showing me their results. So I am waiting for Gho to prove his claims through the patients with their success stories backed up with detailed photos. I'm gonna give him next 4 or 5 years. Let us see what happens.

[krewel]

Replicel is better anyway

[RichardDawkins]

Fair enough argument, cant debate about it because in your principle you are absolutely right. Also you presented your point of view in a adult manor so yeah point goes to you.

But i hope we are on par here when i say " Gho is not splitting hairs"

Anyway you see guys, i can admit when my arguments are weak, whats the big deal? But in the Histogen case i am absolutely right, the only postpone the inevitable or else they would have already came to us with something.

Anyway, funny thing is, if all goes down, Gho is still there

[NeedHairASAP]

Dean Saunders is not NW6 you liar, this guy is NW1 i can proof it because i am Kiwi and SpanishDude in one person. His balding pictures ar fake and Ghos scientific papers are fake as well.

The clinics revoke their statements because they laugh about Gho.

What are you? A Gho shill?

Ok Jokes aside, your statement is just plain hard and boring accurate but you forgot to menstion that Dean Saunders got a NW1 to NW2 hair line WHICH is impossible with traditional transplants where on a NW6 person the donor doesnt regrow.

I believe that Gho uses this patient as his prime NW6 to NW1 transformation guy.

What should Gho do more? I really ask people here what should he do more?

to play devil's advocate... any surgeon can plop 1700 grafts on the front of an nw6... most surgeons just choose not to.. gho hasn't proven anything by making dean putting 1700 grafts as a nw2-nw3 hairline

[RichardDawkins]

Dean Saunders is not NW6 you liar, this guy is NW1 i can proof it because i am Kiwi and SpanishDude in one person. His balding pictures ar fake and Ghos scientific papers are fake as well.

The clinics revoke their statements because they laugh about Gho.

What are you? A Gho shill?

Ok Jokes aside, your statement is just plain hard and boring accurate but you forgot to menstion that Dean Saunders got a NW1 to NW2 hair line WHICH is impossible with traditional transplants where on a NW6 person the donor doesnt regrow.

I believe that Gho uses this patient as his prime NW6 to NW1 transformation guy.

What should Gho do more? I really ask people here what should he do more?

[NeedHairASAP]

Thankyou!!!

Would you risk $13,000 euros at this point in time? I am not 100% sure that I would. The scary thing about Gho is that Gho doesn't even have to proove his claims in order to take your money.

At least with Histogen we're a little protected with the FDA process. If it does work it'll be proveable.

I hope they both work!!!

how has he not proven his claims? specifically?



first off 13k usd means 13,000 US dollars

secondly, gho has done almost everything he can to prove his claims...

He has about 6 scientific articles on the website showing the progression of the technique... and as much as people say there is no photo evidence there actually is... people just say its fake..

the only lack of evidence is a before after picture of a nw6 going to nw1.. that is the only thing missing.. he gave us his yield % and donor regeneration %.. he gave us pictures of the hairs regrowing in the donor... I mean he gave it to us in a peer reviewed journal but people think its fake

and as far as him not giving us a nw6 to nw1.. he just recently gave a high profile nw6-7, dean saunders, his first procedure.. unfortunately we have to wait a long time to get the nw6-nw1 photos from this



edit: 1. has made all his high profile procedures extremely public

2. has 25 youtube videos

3. multiple scientific papers

4. his claims are corroborated by other scientific findings by other scientists


5. forum posters have finally documented the regrowth in pictures

6. doctors were forced to revoke comments that gho "isnt multiplying"

7. the netherlands is actually a pretty forward looking country and probably has an FDA like body



five months ago I would have been shaky to hand over 13,000 US dollars but today i am much more comfortable doing it, although not 100% sold... more like 90% sold. Im still young so waiting is just as costly as paying now. I'm hoping 13k now, and then when i need number 2,3,4,5 hopefully the cost will slowly move to about 7k or 8k usd by ht#5. people drop money on cars and pay it off over five years, I'm fine with dropping car money on my hair and paying it off over my entire life, not a big deal




I want histogen to work too. They seem to have the dream procedure. But unfortunately its looking more and more like a dream, where as Gho is actually here today on the market and not some secret theory with 4 pictures on a prospectus




@greatjob - i agree they obviously must isolate... why are they having such a hard time doing this? two years after successful trials and they are just now like, whoa wait we need people not on rogaine. not very impressive management


ps - i think you may have just shit on people who shit on people on forums and then shit on a person in a forum. all in the same post.

[Kiwi]

it is very strange


we know that something is regrowing in the donor, so he probably is for real... we havn't really figured out if he can actually reharvest the same follicular unit enough to make his procedure cosmetically superior to traditional methods.. but there is a patient on H*irsite.com that posted pictures verifying hairs growing out of scars.... we just have to see, somehow, if the same area is re harvested next time

Thankyou!!!

Would you risk $13,000 euros at this point in time? I am not 100% sure that I would. The scary thing about Gho is that Gho doesn't even have to proove his claims in order to take your money.

At least with Histogen we're a little protected with the FDA process. If it does work it'll be proveable.

I hope they both work!!!

[greatjob!]

"Histogen is afraid that people used Minoxidil LOL thats a very nice excuse. As if the couldnt measure this right"

For ho long do you guys let Histogen mock you silently? Just out of curiosity

Histogen Excuses so far

1) Earthquake in Japan
2) Maybe People used Minoxidil and Propecia

There are others but those are the most stupid ones

First I'd like to say that anyone who gets into a personal fight on an internet forum is an idiot. What are you guys trying to protect? The integrity of your screen name?

With that being said however the quote above from RichardDawkins is one of the most unintelligent asinine statements I have ever read. I don't give a shit less about what anyone thinks about Hisogen or Gho, but the statement Dawkins made that you could somehow quantify the affects of Rogaine or Propecia is asinine. Furthermore it shows a lack of understanding of the basic fundamentals of the scientific experiment taught in any elementary school. You must isolate all variables in an experiment before you can come close to even forming a valid conclusion. There is no way you can test a hair loss drug on an individual already utilizing two other hair loss drugs and draw any kind of valid conclusion worth a shit.