Gho HSi patient had close up pictures

[RichardDawkins]

I dont have to tell you actually because its not of your interest. But i have to wait till i got the money for two consecutive sessions, not only one and a half. If i wanna do it, then i do it right.

And now, what you gonna say actually your argumentation " You dont have the money" is so ridicolous without knowing my financial background. And you call yourself someone who helps? I doub it

[Kiwi]

I dont have to tell you actually because its not of your interest. But i have to wait till i got the money for two consecutive sessions, not only one and a half. If i wanna do it, then i do it right.

And now, what you gonna say actually your argumentation " You dont have the money" is so ridicolous without knowing my financial background. And you call yourself someone who helps? I doub it

Youre wrong about me wanting to know. I just want to know that you'd go to Gho should you be able to afford it one day.

[Samiam]

Dawkins just Stfu you come on here JUST to argue, even after you've proven a point.

[Kiwi]

Dawkins just Stfu you come on here JUST to argue, even after you've proven a point.

I don't think Dawkins will ever be able to afford to see Gho. I think that is why he is so angry.

So meanwhile, one day in the future (best case scenario), I will have;

1) a hidden scar - I like to have long hair so that is ok
2) a head full of hair - I'd like to think thanks to HT's and Histogen for that
3) actually I won't have a scar because I'll get FUE to hide that too or new tech will just somehow remove it, IF Gho is proven I might even go there (its the same IF for whether Histogen is going work but I damn well hope so a hell of a lot more)

Dawkins will still have;

1) no hair
2) bills to pay
3) to be obnoxious on this site

[Kiwi]

Actually. What happened to your thoughts on this:

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=5351

You said you think Histogen could work. And that there are no WOW results.

It'd be awesome if you started a new thread with links to indisputable before and after photographs for people with NW4 + conditions. These images are not exactly WOW:

http://www.hasci.com/en/e6aabe5b-3d1f-421f-97ff-59cc249ef737/0/Results__br___aesthetic_purposes/Scalp__man__front.aspx

[RichardDawkins]

Well if you say so its up to your imagination. But to me it is very simple you lack self esteem big time, because you stalk me and you focuss yourself solely on my persona, which is ridicolous, just ridicolous.

You are obsessed with me. And you should forget this Histogen pipe dream btw. Also if you wouldnt lack self esteem like you claim, why did ou got a transplant in the past. Why do you as an 40 year old person need discussions on forums

Why do you act like a total infantile when you use my nickname to insult me, this is children stuff. I think all the stuff you said, wife,sex and money is just fabricated in your own self made non existing reality.

You see you cant prove me wrong here what i say, and so you cant say that i have no money. Anyway i really hate people who think of themselves as smart people who wanna help others while they clearly not contributing anything at all

"Histogen is afraid that people used Minoxidil LOL thats a very nice excuse. As if the couldnt measure this right"

For ho long do you guys let Histogen mock you silently? Just out of curiosity

Histogen Excuses so far

1) Earthquake in Japan
2) Maybe People used Minoxidil and Propecia

There are others but those are the most stupid ones

[Kiwi]

Well if you say so its up to your imagination. But to me it is very simple you lack self esteem big time, because you stalk me and you focuss yourself solely on my persona, which is ridicolous, just ridicolous.

You are obsessed with me. And you should forget this Histogen pipe dream btw. Also if you wouldnt lack self esteem like you claim, why did ou got a transplant in the past. Why do you as an 40 year old person need discussions on forums

Why do you act like a total infantile when you use my nickname to insult me, this is children stuff. I think all the stuff you said, wife,sex and money is just fabricated in your own self made non existing reality.

You see you cant prove me wrong here what i say, and so you cant say that i have no money. Anyway i really hate people who think of themselves as smart people who wanna help others while they clearly not contributing anything at all

"Histogen is afraid that people used Minoxidil LOL thats a very nice excuse. As if the couldnt measure this right"

For ho long do you guys let Histogen mock you silently? Just out of curiosity

Histogen Excuses so far

1) Earthquake in Japan
2) Maybe People used Minoxidil and Propecia

There are others but those are the most stupid ones

Whatever dude. I was thinking about this the other day - you're the only guy here who obsessively looks at not just this forum but that hairsite one too, something I certainly can't be bothered doing.

Hek you're here the same amount of time as me if not more - I'm not stalking you (talk about ego), its the threads on Histogen and Gho that interest me. Not you.

I'm waiting to see proof that either of them work - Gho does sound good but I havent seen any pics that make me want to part with 13K euros yet.

If you can get me those pics I'll concede that Gho is a valid option and I'll book a HT with Gho for next year. These do not make me want to spend 13K. These look just like anything on any number of HT websites:

http://www.hasci.com/en/e6aabe5b-3d1f-421f-97ff-59cc249ef737/0/Results__br___aesthetic_purposes/Scalp__man__front.aspx

And quite frankly who cares if I'm behaving childish - your ability to speculate and make up stories about Histogen because of their website is a million times worse then whatever I've done or said to you.

Where is Gho's excuse for not having decent Macro photogrophy proof. At least Histogen are offering excuses, heck I don't even believe the minoxidal excuse was from anybody official.

[VictimOfDHT]

Seriously, all these years and we still don't know if this Gho dude is for real or not. Is it really such a hard thing to find out the truth about this guy's procedure ? So we don't even have one patient who's had an HT done by this doctor ? This guy doesn't perform his procedures in a cave somewhere on a remote island that only a few people have heard of. Does he ? Or does he make his patients sign some kind of paper to never give any info about the procedure or its outcome ?? I'm seriously thinking about going to see this guy myself.

[NeedHairASAP]

Seriously, all these years and we still don't know if this Gho dude is for real or not. Is it really such a hard thing to find out the truth about this guy's procedure ? So we don't even have one patient who's had an HT done by this doctor ? This guy doesn't perform his procedures in a cave somewhere on a remote island that only a few people have heard of. Does he ? Or does he make his patients sign some kind of paper to never give any info about the procedure or its outcome ?? I'm seriously thinking about going to see this guy myself.

it is very strange


we know that something is regrowing in the donor, so he probably is for real... we havn't really figured out if he can actually reharvest the same follicular unit enough to make his procedure cosmetically superior to traditional methods.. but there is a patient on H*irsite.com that posted pictures verifying hairs growing out of scars.... we just have to see, somehow, if the same area is re harvested next time

[greatjob!]

"Histogen is afraid that people used Minoxidil LOL thats a very nice excuse. As if the couldnt measure this right"

For ho long do you guys let Histogen mock you silently? Just out of curiosity

Histogen Excuses so far

1) Earthquake in Japan
2) Maybe People used Minoxidil and Propecia

There are others but those are the most stupid ones

First I'd like to say that anyone who gets into a personal fight on an internet forum is an idiot. What are you guys trying to protect? The integrity of your screen name?

With that being said however the quote above from RichardDawkins is one of the most unintelligent asinine statements I have ever read. I don't give a shit less about what anyone thinks about Hisogen or Gho, but the statement Dawkins made that you could somehow quantify the affects of Rogaine or Propecia is asinine. Furthermore it shows a lack of understanding of the basic fundamentals of the scientific experiment taught in any elementary school. You must isolate all variables in an experiment before you can come close to even forming a valid conclusion. There is no way you can test a hair loss drug on an individual already utilizing two other hair loss drugs and draw any kind of valid conclusion worth a shit.

[Kiwi]

it is very strange


we know that something is regrowing in the donor, so he probably is for real... we havn't really figured out if he can actually reharvest the same follicular unit enough to make his procedure cosmetically superior to traditional methods.. but there is a patient on H*irsite.com that posted pictures verifying hairs growing out of scars.... we just have to see, somehow, if the same area is re harvested next time

Thankyou!!!

Would you risk $13,000 euros at this point in time? I am not 100% sure that I would. The scary thing about Gho is that Gho doesn't even have to proove his claims in order to take your money.

At least with Histogen we're a little protected with the FDA process. If it does work it'll be proveable.

I hope they both work!!!

[NeedHairASAP]

Thankyou!!!

Would you risk $13,000 euros at this point in time? I am not 100% sure that I would. The scary thing about Gho is that Gho doesn't even have to proove his claims in order to take your money.

At least with Histogen we're a little protected with the FDA process. If it does work it'll be proveable.

I hope they both work!!!

how has he not proven his claims? specifically?



first off 13k usd means 13,000 US dollars

secondly, gho has done almost everything he can to prove his claims...

He has about 6 scientific articles on the website showing the progression of the technique... and as much as people say there is no photo evidence there actually is... people just say its fake..

the only lack of evidence is a before after picture of a nw6 going to nw1.. that is the only thing missing.. he gave us his yield % and donor regeneration %.. he gave us pictures of the hairs regrowing in the donor... I mean he gave it to us in a peer reviewed journal but people think its fake

and as far as him not giving us a nw6 to nw1.. he just recently gave a high profile nw6-7, dean saunders, his first procedure.. unfortunately we have to wait a long time to get the nw6-nw1 photos from this



edit: 1. has made all his high profile procedures extremely public

2. has 25 youtube videos

3. multiple scientific papers

4. his claims are corroborated by other scientific findings by other scientists


5. forum posters have finally documented the regrowth in pictures

6. doctors were forced to revoke comments that gho "isnt multiplying"

7. the netherlands is actually a pretty forward looking country and probably has an FDA like body



five months ago I would have been shaky to hand over 13,000 US dollars but today i am much more comfortable doing it, although not 100% sold... more like 90% sold. Im still young so waiting is just as costly as paying now. I'm hoping 13k now, and then when i need number 2,3,4,5 hopefully the cost will slowly move to about 7k or 8k usd by ht#5. people drop money on cars and pay it off over five years, I'm fine with dropping car money on my hair and paying it off over my entire life, not a big deal




I want histogen to work too. They seem to have the dream procedure. But unfortunately its looking more and more like a dream, where as Gho is actually here today on the market and not some secret theory with 4 pictures on a prospectus




@greatjob - i agree they obviously must isolate... why are they having such a hard time doing this? two years after successful trials and they are just now like, whoa wait we need people not on rogaine. not very impressive management


ps - i think you may have just shit on people who shit on people on forums and then shit on a person in a forum. all in the same post.

[RichardDawkins]

Dean Saunders is not NW6 you liar, this guy is NW1 i can proof it because i am Kiwi and SpanishDude in one person. His balding pictures ar fake and Ghos scientific papers are fake as well.

The clinics revoke their statements because they laugh about Gho.

What are you? A Gho shill?

Ok Jokes aside, your statement is just plain hard and boring accurate but you forgot to menstion that Dean Saunders got a NW1 to NW2 hair line WHICH is impossible with traditional transplants where on a NW6 person the donor doesnt regrow.

I believe that Gho uses this patient as his prime NW6 to NW1 transformation guy.

What should Gho do more? I really ask people here what should he do more?

[NeedHairASAP]

Dean Saunders is not NW6 you liar, this guy is NW1 i can proof it because i am Kiwi and SpanishDude in one person. His balding pictures ar fake and Ghos scientific papers are fake as well.

The clinics revoke their statements because they laugh about Gho.

What are you? A Gho shill?

Ok Jokes aside, your statement is just plain hard and boring accurate but you forgot to menstion that Dean Saunders got a NW1 to NW2 hair line WHICH is impossible with traditional transplants where on a NW6 person the donor doesnt regrow.

I believe that Gho uses this patient as his prime NW6 to NW1 transformation guy.

What should Gho do more? I really ask people here what should he do more?

to play devil's advocate... any surgeon can plop 1700 grafts on the front of an nw6... most surgeons just choose not to.. gho hasn't proven anything by making dean putting 1700 grafts as a nw2-nw3 hairline

[RichardDawkins]

Fair enough argument, cant debate about it because in your principle you are absolutely right. Also you presented your point of view in a adult manor so yeah point goes to you.

But i hope we are on par here when i say " Gho is not splitting hairs"

Anyway you see guys, i can admit when my arguments are weak, whats the big deal? But in the Histogen case i am absolutely right, the only postpone the inevitable or else they would have already came to us with something.

Anyway, funny thing is, if all goes down, Gho is still there