Footballer Wesley Sneijder had hair multiplication with Dr. Gho

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  • RichardDawkins
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    • Jan 2011
    • 895

    And what about Wesley Sneijder? His result doesnt look good only on paper but in reality but i agree more docs have to perform HST

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    • Follicle Death Row
      Senior Member
      • May 2011
      • 1058

      Originally posted by Dutch_Dude
      I know that this procedure looks great on paper...but the results are not state of the art at all which is why i am not going to consider a hair transplant with gho. If feriduni offers it then its another story. He is not just a surgeon but also an artist.
      That would be ideal. If only Gho would setup a Hair Science Institute in Belgium and offer Feriduni a boat load of money. There's no denying Sneijder's hair looks good though.

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      • RichardDawkins
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        • Jan 2011
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        You know i would laugh my ass off when armani would offer HST....... i think there wont be any more baldies running around then

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        • Follicle Death Row
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          • May 2011
          • 1058

          Originally posted by RichardDawkins
          You know i would laugh my ass off when armani would offer HST....... i think there wont be any more baldies running around then
          Let's hope that day comes soon enough.

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          • NeedHairASAP
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2011
            • 1408

            In the HT section of the hairsite forum Dr Umar has commented on HST... basically he says that all Gho is doing is splitting hairs. Umar says its common practice for strip surgeons to split 3 or 4 follicle units into single follicles. He thinks that Gho is basically doing this but with a FUE like tool. He thinks gho is extracting a single hair from a 3 follicle unit...

            now this is the best argument against Gho I've heard thus far

            However a user responded that when you watch the videos of HST or look at the HST pictures you don't see any of the graft left behind...

            I'm not a scientist and I think that Gho is the only person who can answer Umar's criticism but what do you guys think?

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            • RichardDawkins
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              • Jan 2011
              • 895

              Well in those videos and close ups......they extracted it all and didnt split but what gives, at least Gho is pushing the envelope what i couldnt say from others

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              • SilverSurfer
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                • Oct 2010
                • 116

                I am not a big umar fan, but I think his theory makes sense. Anyways, what they should all be doing is trying to replicate it. 50k is a good amount of money but I think in the end if they were to pay gho, at least the good surgeons who already have a good rep will benefit from that investment.

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                • NeedHairASAP
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                  • Jul 2011
                  • 1408

                  Originally posted by SilverSurfer
                  I am not a big umar fan, but I think his theory makes sense. Anyways, what they should all be doing is trying to replicate it. 50k is a good amount of money but I think in the end if they were to pay gho, at least the good surgeons who already have a good rep will benefit from that investment.
                  it may be 50,000 euro he wants.. in which case more like 75k+

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                  • RichardDawkins
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                    • Jan 2011
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                    Well i say we wait, but one thing is for sure, if the truth is out, we will see a lot of surgeons down to the wire.

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                    • Follicle Death Row
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                      • May 2011
                      • 1058

                      Some smart ass critics had the used the example of 2 pockets and 3 marbles saying that if you have 3 marbles in one pocket and move 2 to the second empty pocket you know have marbles in both pockets.

                      While that could happen it's clearly not 'hair multiplication' as laid out in Gho's paper. That's not what is happening. Hair multiplication and donor regeneration is possible just with what accuracy and consistency? Like Richard Dawkins said, just wait. It took some time for FUE to take off. If HST is legit (I happen to strongly believe it is) it too will take off.

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                      • NeedHairASAP
                        Senior Member
                        • Jul 2011
                        • 1408

                        Originally posted by Follicle Death Row
                        Some smart ass critics had the used the example of 2 pockets and 3 marbles saying that if you have 3 marbles in one pocket and move 2 to the second empty pocket you know have marbles in both pockets.

                        While that could happen it's clearly not 'hair multiplication' as laid out in Gho's paper. That's not what is happening. Hair multiplication and donor regeneration is possible just with what accuracy and consistency? Like Richard Dawkins said, just wait. It took some time for FUE to take off. If HST is legit (I happen to strongly believe it is) it too will take off.
                        I agree I think it's legit but I'm trying to be proactive in getting the truth out.. whatever it may be

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                        • Follicle Death Row
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                          • May 2011
                          • 1058

                          And you're absolutely right to do so. As it stands now I haven't seen enough to make the jump (nor can I financially) but when I do I'll consider it somewhere down the line. The way I see it is that HST and HSC can be complementary. It could be like a HT 2.0 and Rogaine 2.0 treatment plan.

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                          • Dutch_Dude
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                            • Jul 2010
                            • 238

                            Umar's critique is very valid I think. More people say that he's splitting the follicle. So the donor does become thinner and when it's transplanted in the front it definately does not look like a full head of hair. Also, they don't put the transplanted follicles very close to each other at HSI. They told me that on the phone and it's very easy to see in pictures. You would think theyw ould be able to do that with such thin needles or whatever those things are called...

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                            • NeedHairASAP
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                              • Jul 2011
                              • 1408

                              Originally posted by Dutch_Dude
                              Umar's critique is very valid I think. More people say that he's splitting the follicle. So the donor does become thinner and when it's transplanted in the front it definately does not look like a full head of hair. Also, they don't put the transplanted follicles very close to each other at HSI. They told me that on the phone and it's very easy to see in pictures. You would think theyw ould be able to do that with such thin needles or whatever those things are called...

                              1. people don't have full heads of hair because nobody has gotten enough grafts to have a full head of hair... if you look back in this thread you'll see a user posted photos of his 1,300 graft FUE procedure and the results were NO DIFFERENT WHAT SO EVER from many of the results on HSI website which presumably had about the same amount of grafts done... So i can't agree with you that the reason "it" (lots of results not sure who you mean specifically) does not look like a full head of hair is because gho is "splitting" and only implanting one follicle

                              2.they do not put the follicles very close to eachother with HST, this is true. If you watch the interview spencer kobren does with Gho you'll hear Gho's reasoning...having little holes close together causes swelling and other factors that lead to graft rejection, the more holes and the closer together the more these negative factors increase.... small session = better yields/better healing as well as holes not being punched too closely= better yields/better healing..... and this all seems pretty logical I dont disagree with Gho... I'm sure if Gho thought it was no big deal to do 70 grafts per cm he would do it... because thats obviously what people would prefer... but he doesnt do that which speaks volumes

                              3. they have said that you DEFINITELY CAN increase your density BUT only on subsequent procedures.... so the give you 50 hairs per cm on your first procedure... once those HOLES (yes people holes punched in your head, think about this) heal than you can go back and punch holes in between and add more density with procedure #2.....

                              as much as this increases Gho's revenue (although you could argue allowing 6,000 graft megasessions would increase his revenue just as much) I can see it being a valid argument... its good to see he's worried about the quality of the work being put out and not about getting somebodys money as fast as possible and offering some crazy megasession with high rates of grafts not making it and making healing harder





                              It would be really interesting to hear Gho's rebuttle.... we should all email HSI asking about Gho's response to this....


                              the other thing is Gho's journals and everything else explaining the procedure do not talk about it as splitting hairs... making his entire operation and all his future plans just a hoax.. which is quite a claim to make.. although it wouldnt be the first hair loss hoax so I'm interested in finding out the answer

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                              • NeedHairASAP
                                Senior Member
                                • Jul 2011
                                • 1408

                                Originally posted by NeedHairASAP
                                1. people don't have full heads of hair because nobody has gotten enough grafts to have a full head of hair... if you look back in this thread you'll see a user posted photos of his 1,300 graft FUE procedure and the results were NO DIFFERENT WHAT SO EVER from many of the results on HSI website which presumably had about the same amount of grafts done... So i can't agree with you that the reason "it" (lots of results not sure who you mean specifically) does not look like a full head of hair is because gho is "splitting" and only implanting one follicle

                                2.they do not put the follicles very close to eachother with HST, this is true. If you watch the interview spencer kobren does with Gho you'll hear Gho's reasoning...having little holes close together causes swelling and other factors that lead to graft rejection, the more holes and the closer together the more these negative factors increase.... small session = better yields/better healing as well as holes not being punched too closely= better yields/better healing..... and this all seems pretty logical I dont disagree with Gho... I'm sure if Gho thought it was no big deal to do 70 grafts per cm he would do it... because thats obviously what people would prefer... but he doesnt do that which speaks volumes

                                3. they have said that you DEFINITELY CAN increase your density BUT only on subsequent procedures.... so the give you 50 hairs per cm on your first procedure... once those HOLES (yes people holes punched in your head, think about this) heal than you can go back and punch holes in between and add more density with procedure #2.....

                                as much as this increases Gho's revenue (although you could argue allowing 6,000 graft megasessions would increase his revenue just as much) I can see it being a valid argument... its good to see he's worried about the quality of the work being put out and not about getting somebodys money as fast as possible and offering some crazy megasession with high rates of grafts not making it and making healing harder





                                It would be really interesting to hear Gho's rebuttle.... we should all email HSI asking about Gho's response to this....


                                the other thing is Gho's journals and everything else explaining the procedure do not talk about it as splitting hairs... making his entire operation and all his future plans just a hoax.. which is quite a claim to make.. although it wouldnt be the first hair loss hoax so I'm interested in finding out the answer

                                I also urge anybody interested in HST to email a surgeon of their choice and ask if they offer HST (even if you know they don't) and than explain that you are really interested in a procedure with him but you would not do any other technique except HST.... if we demand it they will get the message

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