Footballer Wesley Sneijder had hair multiplication with Dr. Gho

[Follicle Death Row]

The transplanting of the dermal papillae is the same as Aderans but from my reading the extraction of the dermal papillae is different to Aderans. It sounds like the same extraction process as HST is used but then the dermal papillae are gleaned from the hair. Of course this technique doesn't multiply the dermal papillae like Aderans.

Seems to me that the extraction is different to Aderans but the transplantation to the recipient is similiar. They're similiar in that the bare minimum is actually placed in the recipient. i.e. just the dermal papillae. I could be wrong though.

[NeedHairASAP]

The whole injectible idea is the same as Aderans. Extract the dermal papillae, multiply them and insert them into the recipient. Simples...In theory at least but not so in practice it seems.

I'm not sure that Gho's injectable is like aderans... if you read the description on hasci web site it sounds as if its merely a better way to implant the cells as opposed to making punches in the recipient and dropping the entire follicle in..

at first I was under the impression that it was an aderans type procedure where they multiply cells but from what the website says I think it may JUST be a more efficient and less invasive way to implant to cells in the recipient... I say this because there is no mention of multiplying cells and they mention it is almost an identical procedure to HST aside from the work done in the recipient

re-read it and let me know what you think

[Follicle Death Row]

Dutch Dude is damn right about Dr. Feriduni. He is incredible. I think he's the best FUE surgeon out there. However you shouldn't find the injectable idea in anyway strange. Basically all hair transplants are stem cell based. Traditional FUT takes the whole follicle architecture and transplants it. The hair falls out due to trauma but the dermal papillae in the follicle ensures new hair grows and 3-4 months later they come through.

Dr. Cooley's autocloning technique plucks a hair just to get the dermal papillae from the hair shaft and the dermal papillae is inserted into the scalp by making incisions and placing the hairs in. In autocloning enough dermal papillae remains in the donor because well, it's no different to plucking hairs.

HST is simply a halfway house between FUE and autocloning. The whole injectible idea is the same as Aderans. Extract the dermal papillae, multiply them and insert them into the recipient. Simples...In theory at least but not so in practice it seems.

[NeedHairASAP]

1. go to the website of bijan feriduni and look at people who are nw 1 to nw 3. now that's class.

2. with traditional transplants you get a lot better results. believe me, i really want something like aderans to come out tomorrow but i'd rather wait for something like that than trust gho.

3. really? technicians aren't "artists". with hair transplants it's important to have state of the art results. i don't see that with gho.

4. i hope you are right.

1. is this that much more impressive than Schneijder? this guy have an extra 500 grafts more than he got...

http://www.hairlossexperiences.com/view_topic.php?id=286&forum_id=26

or this... I mean this guy is a nw2 to begin with and he looks no better than wesley

http://www.international-hairlossforum.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=2&func=view&catid=42&id=18551&lang=en

they may be slightly better but not by much (if they even are)


3. lol

4. yes i am right

[Dutch_Dude]

1. fair enough... post one of the surgeries that you are talking about.. find a 1,700 graft surgery that is more impressive than wesley schnjeders and I'll concede to you... hasson and wong and them have great results but thats with 5,000+ grafts off of a huge slab of skin

2. I dont understand your #2 argument... how do I explain how your friend had a transplant and it looked like a full head of hair? I'm not saying traditional transplants dont work or that strip surgery allows for follicles to be less damaged while harvesting... I'm saying ghos works about as good if not better and has donor regrowth

3. the "real surgeons" you talk about also often have their technicians do most of the work... and I wouldnt mind having a technician who does the procedure multiple times a day work on me... but ive been a huge advocate of getting other surgeons on board...

4. yes its an injectable... look more into the science of hair transplants in general and then look into the science of HST and then maybe the idea of the injectable will make more sense... its not as "weird" as you think and actually is the next logical step... ALL HAIR TRANSPLANTS work off of the same science... hint: cells around the bottom and sides of the follicular units are what causes the hair to regrow...thusly when you pluck a hair out of your head it grows back but when they FUE it out of your head it doesnt..... STRIP, FUE, HST and the injectable all work off of this same premise

1. go to the website of bijan feriduni and look at people who are nw 1 to nw 3. now that's class.

2. with traditional transplants you get a lot better results. believe me, i really want something like aderans to come out tomorrow but i'd rather wait for something like that than trust gho.

3. really? technicians aren't "artists". with hair transplants it's important to have state of the art results. i don't see that with gho.

4. i hope you are right.

[NeedHairASAP]

1. people who have gotten 1300 grafts with a "real" surgeon, like feriduni, hasson & wong, rahal, etc. look a lot better than after 1300 grafts with gho.

2. how do you explain that all the follicles after a normal transplant do grow (if the operation is done right) and sometimes it looks like a full head of hair. i know someone who is a nw5 and has thick hair. after a transplant he looked like he almost had a full head of hair (but with a slightly receiding hairline, which is totallyo kay, and a very little bald spot that's easily covered witht oppik).

3. if he's worried about quality, he will get REAL surgeons to do this.

i'm sorry to all gho-supporters but this guy seems way too sketchy for me to trust. on his site he's saying he's working on a new treatment, a transplant injection...i find it weird.

1. fair enough... post one of the surgeries that you are talking about.. find a 1,700 graft surgery that is more impressive than wesley schnjeders and I'll concede to you... hasson and wong and them have great results but thats with 5,000+ grafts off of a huge slab of skin

2. I dont understand your #2 argument... how do I explain how your friend had a transplant and it looked like a full head of hair? I'm not saying traditional transplants dont work or that strip surgery allows for follicles to be less damaged while harvesting... I'm saying ghos works about as good if not better and has donor regrowth

3. the "real surgeons" you talk about also often have their technicians do most of the work... and I wouldnt mind having a technician who does the procedure multiple times a day work on me... but ive been a huge advocate of getting other surgeons on board...

4. yes its an injectable... look more into the science of hair transplants in general and then look into the science of HST and then maybe the idea of the injectable will make more sense... its not as "weird" as you think and actually is the next logical step... ALL HAIR TRANSPLANTS work off of the same science... hint: cells around the bottom and sides of the follicular units are what causes the hair to regrow...thusly when you pluck a hair out of your head it grows back but when they FUE it out of your head it doesnt..... STRIP, FUE, HST and the injectable all work off of this same premise

[Dutch_Dude]

by the way, i know a lot of things are patented but if we get a good lawyer (in a few years i'll be one ) we may be able to argue that all of these discoveries belong to mankind and not a single person. this is much different than inventing the ipad and bashing samsung for coming up with something similar. these are human conditions.

[Dutch_Dude]

1. people don't have full heads of hair because nobody has gotten enough grafts to have a full head of hair... if you look back in this thread you'll see a user posted photos of his 1,300 graft FUE procedure and the results were NO DIFFERENT WHAT SO EVER from many of the results on HSI website which presumably had about the same amount of grafts done... So i can't agree with you that the reason "it" (lots of results not sure who you mean specifically) does not look like a full head of hair is because gho is "splitting" and only implanting one follicle

2.they do not put the follicles very close to eachother with HST, this is true. If you watch the interview spencer kobren does with Gho you'll hear Gho's reasoning...having little holes close together causes swelling and other factors that lead to graft rejection, the more holes and the closer together the more these negative factors increase.... small session = better yields/better healing as well as holes not being punched too closely= better yields/better healing..... and this all seems pretty logical I dont disagree with Gho... I'm sure if Gho thought it was no big deal to do 70 grafts per cm he would do it... because thats obviously what people would prefer... but he doesnt do that which speaks volumes

3. they have said that you DEFINITELY CAN increase your density BUT only on subsequent procedures.... so the give you 50 hairs per cm on your first procedure... once those HOLES (yes people holes punched in your head, think about this) heal than you can go back and punch holes in between and add more density with procedure #2.....

as much as this increases Gho's revenue (although you could argue allowing 6,000 graft megasessions would increase his revenue just as much) I can see it being a valid argument... its good to see he's worried about the quality of the work being put out and not about getting somebodys money as fast as possible and offering some crazy megasession with high rates of grafts not making it and making healing harder





It would be really interesting to hear Gho's rebuttle.... we should all email HSI asking about Gho's response to this....


the other thing is Gho's journals and everything else explaining the procedure do not talk about it as splitting hairs... making his entire operation and all his future plans just a hoax.. which is quite a claim to make.. although it wouldnt be the first hair loss hoax so I'm interested in finding out the answer

1. people who have gotten 1300 grafts with a "real" surgeon, like feriduni, hasson & wong, rahal, etc. look a lot better than after 1300 grafts with gho.

2. how do you explain that all the follicles after a normal transplant do grow (if the operation is done right) and sometimes it looks like a full head of hair. i know someone who is a nw5 and has thick hair. after a transplant he looked like he almost had a full head of hair (but with a slightly receiding hairline, which is totallyo kay, and a very little bald spot that's easily covered witht oppik).

3. if he's worried about quality, he will get REAL surgeons to do this.

i'm sorry to all gho-supporters but this guy seems way too sketchy for me to trust. on his site he's saying he's working on a new treatment, a transplant injection...i find it weird.

[NeedHairASAP]

unfortunately still no response from Gho about Dr. Umar's splitting accusations

[UK_]

thats alright I bet they did the same thing 10 years ago when people were calling asking about FUE and they only offered strip...now look..... so everyone interested in HST has to send an email and show their interest.. eventually they'll get the message but the sooner we make our interest known the sooner they'll get the message

Too true!!

[NeedHairASAP]

I did this somewhat. I sent an email to a top doc's clinic asking a few questions. One of them relating to the credibility and legitimacy of donor regeneration and hair multiplication ala HST. Of course I worded it a bit more appropriately and tactfully but I did not get a reply. Hardly surprising. Can't make much of that.

thats alright I bet they did the same thing 10 years ago when people were calling asking about FUE and they only offered strip...now look..... so everyone interested in HST has to send an email and show their interest.. eventually they'll get the message but the sooner we make our interest known the sooner they'll get the message

[Follicle Death Row]

I also urge anybody interested in HST to email a surgeon of their choice and ask if they offer HST (even if you know they don't) and than explain that you are really interested in a procedure with him but you would not do any other technique except HST.... if we demand it they will get the message

I did this somewhat. I sent an email to a top doc's clinic asking a few questions. One of them relating to the credibility and legitimacy of donor regeneration and hair multiplication ala HST. Of course I worded it a bit more appropriately and tactfully but I did not get a reply. Hardly surprising. Can't make much of that.

[NeedHairASAP]

1. people don't have full heads of hair because nobody has gotten enough grafts to have a full head of hair... if you look back in this thread you'll see a user posted photos of his 1,300 graft FUE procedure and the results were NO DIFFERENT WHAT SO EVER from many of the results on HSI website which presumably had about the same amount of grafts done... So i can't agree with you that the reason "it" (lots of results not sure who you mean specifically) does not look like a full head of hair is because gho is "splitting" and only implanting one follicle

2.they do not put the follicles very close to eachother with HST, this is true. If you watch the interview spencer kobren does with Gho you'll hear Gho's reasoning...having little holes close together causes swelling and other factors that lead to graft rejection, the more holes and the closer together the more these negative factors increase.... small session = better yields/better healing as well as holes not being punched too closely= better yields/better healing..... and this all seems pretty logical I dont disagree with Gho... I'm sure if Gho thought it was no big deal to do 70 grafts per cm he would do it... because thats obviously what people would prefer... but he doesnt do that which speaks volumes

3. they have said that you DEFINITELY CAN increase your density BUT only on subsequent procedures.... so the give you 50 hairs per cm on your first procedure... once those HOLES (yes people holes punched in your head, think about this) heal than you can go back and punch holes in between and add more density with procedure #2.....

as much as this increases Gho's revenue (although you could argue allowing 6,000 graft megasessions would increase his revenue just as much) I can see it being a valid argument... its good to see he's worried about the quality of the work being put out and not about getting somebodys money as fast as possible and offering some crazy megasession with high rates of grafts not making it and making healing harder





It would be really interesting to hear Gho's rebuttle.... we should all email HSI asking about Gho's response to this....


the other thing is Gho's journals and everything else explaining the procedure do not talk about it as splitting hairs... making his entire operation and all his future plans just a hoax.. which is quite a claim to make.. although it wouldnt be the first hair loss hoax so I'm interested in finding out the answer

I also urge anybody interested in HST to email a surgeon of their choice and ask if they offer HST (even if you know they don't) and than explain that you are really interested in a procedure with him but you would not do any other technique except HST.... if we demand it they will get the message

[NeedHairASAP]

Umar's critique is very valid I think. More people say that he's splitting the follicle. So the donor does become thinner and when it's transplanted in the front it definately does not look like a full head of hair. Also, they don't put the transplanted follicles very close to each other at HSI. They told me that on the phone and it's very easy to see in pictures. You would think theyw ould be able to do that with such thin needles or whatever those things are called...

1. people don't have full heads of hair because nobody has gotten enough grafts to have a full head of hair... if you look back in this thread you'll see a user posted photos of his 1,300 graft FUE procedure and the results were NO DIFFERENT WHAT SO EVER from many of the results on HSI website which presumably had about the same amount of grafts done... So i can't agree with you that the reason "it" (lots of results not sure who you mean specifically) does not look like a full head of hair is because gho is "splitting" and only implanting one follicle

2.they do not put the follicles very close to eachother with HST, this is true. If you watch the interview spencer kobren does with Gho you'll hear Gho's reasoning...having little holes close together causes swelling and other factors that lead to graft rejection, the more holes and the closer together the more these negative factors increase.... small session = better yields/better healing as well as holes not being punched too closely= better yields/better healing..... and this all seems pretty logical I dont disagree with Gho... I'm sure if Gho thought it was no big deal to do 70 grafts per cm he would do it... because thats obviously what people would prefer... but he doesnt do that which speaks volumes

3. they have said that you DEFINITELY CAN increase your density BUT only on subsequent procedures.... so the give you 50 hairs per cm on your first procedure... once those HOLES (yes people holes punched in your head, think about this) heal than you can go back and punch holes in between and add more density with procedure #2.....

as much as this increases Gho's revenue (although you could argue allowing 6,000 graft megasessions would increase his revenue just as much) I can see it being a valid argument... its good to see he's worried about the quality of the work being put out and not about getting somebodys money as fast as possible and offering some crazy megasession with high rates of grafts not making it and making healing harder





It would be really interesting to hear Gho's rebuttle.... we should all email HSI asking about Gho's response to this....


the other thing is Gho's journals and everything else explaining the procedure do not talk about it as splitting hairs... making his entire operation and all his future plans just a hoax.. which is quite a claim to make.. although it wouldnt be the first hair loss hoax so I'm interested in finding out the answer

[Dutch_Dude]

Umar's critique is very valid I think. More people say that he's splitting the follicle. So the donor does become thinner and when it's transplanted in the front it definately does not look like a full head of hair. Also, they don't put the transplanted follicles very close to each other at HSI. They told me that on the phone and it's very easy to see in pictures. You would think theyw ould be able to do that with such thin needles or whatever those things are called...