Histogen Update - Spencer Kobren Speaks With Dr. Craig L. Ziering

[yeahyeahyeah]

Exact same lightning conditions, with or without using flash...
... it really doesn't matter - if you do it RIGHT ...


And there exists another problem - namely, the problem from a scientific point of view ...

You are possibly one of the most cynical posters on BTT. Even if they had release a picture with a full set of hair, you will find something to criticise.

[534623]

The problem with releasing photographs is that its basically impossible to have the same exact same lighting conditions, the exact same angle, the exact same position of the head, the exact same hair style, length, lens focal length, aperture, etc. The photographs are bound to be at least somewhat different between sessions. And the amount of light DOES affect the hair and possibility to see the scalp. You shine light through hair thats bright enough and you'll see skin, which is why controlled lighting is important.

Exact same lightning conditions, with or without using flash, different angles...
... it really doesn't matter - if you do it RIGHT ...


And there exists another problem - namely, the problem from a scientific point of view ...

[yeahyeahyeah]

The photography argument is actually a valid point and an important one as well. I'll chime in on this since I'm a photographer:

Basically we all want accurate results and an accurate showing of those results. The problem with releasing photographs is that its basically impossible to have the same exact same lighting conditions, the exact same angle, the exact same position of the head, the exact same hair style, length, lens focal length, aperture, etc. The photographs are bound to be at least somewhat different between sessions. And the amount of light DOES affect the hair and possibility to see the scalp. You shine light through hair thats bright enough and you'll see skin, which is why controlled lighting is important.

I will say though, that there definitely is noticeable improvement with Histogen although to be honest I am somewhat disappointed with the amount, I've seen better results with Minox/RU58841 regimens but if Histogen becomes available you can be sure they'll have my money. I'll take any improvement at this point (I'm lucky because I've only thinned out in the crown and lost my temples, so there are some options for me but I feel for those in higher norwood scales).

You know what - if you guys are going to criticise like this.

Why don't you all go and create your own start up and solve the problem of hairloss.

Histogen are doing well (especially with the robust growth pdf), give them time to release more information.

[yeahyeahyeah]

You're right ...


I'm somewhat surprised too, because -interestingly-, they didn't publish their "robust growth" results. Maybe it wasn't their intention anymore to publish normal hair transplant results - who knows ...

There is clear regrowth at the temples.

[yeahyeahyeah]

lol, I'm only skeptical because of knowledge about the product from med school.

Why don't you think Aderans will be successful? I don't know much about them, would like to hear your info about it.

They have been stuck in phase 2 for many years, missing deadlines.

They have a release date in 2014, but I am sceptical that they will make it.

[hellouser]

If you cant see the difference in hair styling I think your just seeing what you want too see. When I get more time I can circle the hairs for you.

And if you think flash will give a thicker look try to take pics of your on hair and compare.
Even if it somehow gave you a thicker look (never happened to me) why on earth cant Histogen just use the same lightning conditions? This is not professional.

I hope the subjects will get more hair with time but for now I am very dissapointed

The photography argument is actually a valid point and an important one as well. I'll chime in on this since I'm a photographer:

Basically we all want accurate results and an accurate showing of those results. The problem with releasing photographs is that its basically impossible to have the same exact same lighting conditions, the exact same angle, the exact same position of the head, the exact same hair style, length, lens focal length, aperture, etc. The photographs are bound to be at least somewhat different between sessions. And the amount of light DOES affect the hair and possibility to see the scalp. You shine light through hair thats bright enough and you'll see skin, which is why controlled lighting is important.

I will say though, that there definitely is noticeable improvement with Histogen although to be honest I am somewhat disappointed with the amount, I've seen better results with Minox/RU58841 regimens but if Histogen becomes available you can be sure they'll have my money. I'll take any improvement at this point (I'm lucky because I've only thinned out in the crown and lost my temples, so there are some options for me but I feel for those in higher norwood scales).

[534623]

I was hoping for much better given the pictures they previously posted.

You're right ...


I'm somewhat surprised too, because -interestingly-, they didn't publish their "robust growth" results. Maybe it wasn't their intention anymore to publish normal hair transplant results - who knows ...

[yeahyeahyeah]

Well I hope so. I am a receder, not a diffuser, but it I could bring my temples forward an inch or so that would do. I am just not convinced by their photos. Why isn't the lightning the same in each photo? To me it does look like the hair has been combed down in the first pic.

I was hoping for much better given the pictures they previously posted.

http://www.histogen.com/downloads/sid_2012_HSC_Final.pdf

better pdf to be honest.

I am sure histogen will release more news in the coming months.

If you are a receeder, with no thinning elseware. I am sure your hair will hold out by the time it gets released.

Tend to find that diffuse thinners are the one's who lose their hair quickly.

Finally, even if you don't get regrowth with HSC, you are more than likely to maintain your existing hair, which is a good thing if you want to avoid taking fin.

[JJacobs152]

Well at least its in the pipeline.

You boys are too sceptical.

We also have aderans - which tbh, I am not so confident about

lol, I'm only skeptical because of knowledge about the product from med school.

Why don't you think Aderans will be successful? I don't know much about them, would like to hear your info about it.

[garethbale]

I think you and Ted are looking at the wrong thing.

Histogen doesn't seem to regrow hair in bald slick areas, rather it is just REALLY REALLY good at thickening up thinning hair.

Which in both photos is evident.

Sadly, I dont think this treatment will work on a NW7.

Ironically, I find it funny how histogen is so fast with their progress, whereas aderans isnt.

Well I hope so. I am a receder, not a diffuser, but it I could bring my temples forward an inch or so that would do. I am just not convinced by their photos. Why isn't the lightning the same in each photo? To me it does look like the hair has been combed down in the first pic.

I was hoping for much better given the pictures they previously posted.

[yeahyeahyeah]

Latisse should be somewhat interesting, however I don't think it'll really work. Iirc, latisse is a prostaglandin analog which was originally intended to use for the treatment of glaucoma. Since it's a topical solution, it was noted that eyelashes grew longer and thicker, with the side effect showing retinal pigmentation spots.

Do eyelashes and hair on our scalp contain the same chemistry, receptors, etc etc for the drug to work - will be interesting to find out.

Well at least its in the pipeline.

You boys are too sceptical.

We also have aderans - which tbh, I am not so confident about

[JJacobs152]

Is this Dr. Gail Naughton who regularly used her perfectly working "ExCeltrixTM" product?

Wait, the girl that I posted is a doctor? Link to proof?

[JJacobs152]

I agree.

Latisse are going to release their own product soon, so I don't even think you will need to use fin.

If your hair is thinning use latisse the maintain, and or go to histogen for a top up.

Thinning hair takes a while to go slick bald, 6-7 months. My work colleague had thinning hair in his crown 2 years ago, he still hasn't got a bald spot.

One thing for sure - neither patient LOST hair in the photos. As for maintainence goes, this works.

Latisse should be somewhat interesting, however I don't think it'll really work. Iirc, latisse is a prostaglandin analog which was originally intended to use for the treatment of glaucoma. Since it's a topical solution, it was noted that eyelashes grew longer and thicker, with the side effect showing retinal pigmentation spots.

Do eyelashes and hair on our scalp contain the same chemistry, receptors, etc etc for the drug to work - will be interesting to find out.

[534623]

Is this Dr. Gail Naughton who regularly used her perfectly working "ExCeltrixTM" product?

[yeahyeahyeah]

That alone is fantastic though, as well as clear reversal of vellus hairs which isnt guarenteed by any current product.

a guy in the beginning stages of hairloss will be able to halt and reverse it with a product like this(+ maybe fin).

I'm not sure if it addressed the slick bald spot thing.

I agree.

Latisse are going to release their own product soon, so I don't even think you will need to use fin.

If your hair is thinning use latisse the maintain, and or go to histogen for a top up.

Thinning hair takes a while to go slick bald, 6-7 months. My work colleague developed thinning hair in his crown 2 years ago, he still hasn't got a bald spot.

One thing for sure - neither patient LOST hair in the photos. As for maintainence goes, this works.