Histogen Update - Spencer Kobren Speaks With Dr. Craig L. Ziering

[yeahyeahyeah]

I know this first hand, I went to europe for 2 months this year and had to take my RU58841 with me along with two small bottles of isopropanol (99&#37 and polypropylene glycol. RU should last for at least a couple days before going bad when mixed in the solution. I was lucky because I was with family and friends but kept my main RU package in a freezer and took smaller portions premixed with me to wherever I was going and applied on the spot before bed.

Yes its a hassle, but realistically, how often does one travel to render RU an illegitimate option? That is of course you don't have a job like being a flight attendant or something, lol.

What if you have a job that requires you to travel a lot - consultant?

What if you plan to go on a roadtrip with friends/gf etc Many in their 20s do this.

What if you are going away for camping for a week.

There are so many scenarios.

RU is an all around pain in the ass.

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Sure - that too.

But I am an example of someone who knows about treatment options that is refusing to touch fin.

And with all the bad press against fin, it has given me more of a reason to not touch it.

I'm in the same boat, I will not *ever* touch Finasteride. I'd rather go bald than limp or permanently limp.

If I were you, I'd give RU58841 a go with Minox despite your worries. I've been on Minox for just over a year and my hair density in my crown has definitely improved. I'm still working on my hairline though, I'm on RU as well and only about a month ago have I bumped up my dosage to 100mg every day before bed. I've already noticed a ton of vellus hairs in my temples, I'm hoping they eventually turn terminal.

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The problem with RU, is that if you travel a lot. It is not a viable treatment option.

I know this first hand, I went to europe for 2 months this year and had to take my RU58841 with me along with two small bottles of isopropanol (99%) and polypropylene glycol. RU should last for at least a couple days before going bad when mixed in the solution. I was lucky because I was with family and friends but kept my main RU package in a freezer and took smaller portions premixed with me to wherever I was going and applied on the spot before bed.

Yes its a hassle, but realistically, how often does one travel to render RU an illegitimate option? That is of course you don't have a job like being a flight attendant or something, lol.

[yeahyeahyeah]

Doubt it. I would bet one of my testicles and say that only 7% treat their hairloss for other more obvious reasons.

1) Hairloss isn't a night and day thing, it slowly creeps up before an individual notices to take action.

2) A lot of men have no idea that there are solutions to treat hairloss... and thats the big one. 2 years ago I had no idea of products such as minoxidil, finasteride, etc. I only once heard about hair transplants about a decade ago as well and didn't think much of it. Fast forward to today and I'm a great example of a guy that noticed his hairline being receded before being to late to stop it going past NW1.

You'll see that 7% number jump way higher if you educated men on the topic.

Sure - that too.

But I am an example of someone who knows about treatment options that is refusing to touch fin.

And with all the bad press against fin, it has given me more of a reason to not touch it.

[hellouser]

I class neither fin or minox as viable treatment options.

Fin - messing with my hormones. You have gotta be kidding me.

Even if it does work, what happens after YEARS of changing your hormonal balance?

Minox - I am on the fence. At the same time I have read too many horror stories of guys starting it, shedding like shit and losing hair. I dont even think you can reliably maintain on it.

This is why I am watching these new treatments closely. I want something that works that is safe and effective.

As gail rightly said only 7% treat their hairloss, and this is why.

Doubt it. I would bet one of my testicles and say that only 7% treat their hairloss for other more obvious reasons.

1) Hairloss isn't a night and day thing, it slowly creeps up before an individual notices to take action.

2) A lot of men have no idea that there are solutions to treat hairloss... and thats the big one. 2 years ago I had no idea of products such as minoxidil, finasteride, etc. I only once heard about hair transplants about a decade ago as well and didn't think much of it. Fast forward to today and I'm a great example of a guy that noticed his hairline being receded before being to late to stop it going past NW1.

You'll see that 7% number jump way higher if you educated men on the topic.

[yeahyeahyeah]

Irishpride86 on ************ is an example of some ridiculous results.

http://www.****************/interact...U58841-NOW-FIN

The problem with RU, is that if you travel a lot. It is not a viable treatment option.

[hellouser]

Do you have a link to back this up? I'm on the fence of purchasing the RU compound, but want to see the improvements. I know that one irish lad on the other forum had great results, but that's the only noted individual that I've seen thus far.

Irishpride86 on ************ is an example of some ridiculous results.

http://www.****************/interact...U58841-NOW-FIN

[yeahyeahyeah]

Exactly, like Fin and Minox - and the latter is the reason why you're still here ...

I class neither fin or minox as non-viable treatment options.

Fin - messing with my hormones. You have gotta be kidding me.

Even if it does work, what happens after YEARS of changing your hormonal balance?

Minox - I am on the fence. At the same time I have read too many horror stories of guys starting it, shedding like shit and losing hair. I dont even think you can reliably maintain on it.

This is why I am watching these new treatments closely. I want something that works that is safe and effective.

As gail rightly said only 7% treat their hairloss, and this is why.

[yeahyeahyeah]

Constructive criticism is fair and warranted.However it was NOT the point of my comment, I provided some facts about photography that was supposed to clear up any illegitimate criticisms towards Histogen. Yes, I did say the results were disappointing (this is in reference to the recent photos provided) and it holds true because the regrowth isn't substantial enough to give GREAT thickness which is what all of us are expecting, however it is substantial enough to notice a clear visible difference. I even went on to say I would pay for a Histogen procedure regardless.

Telling me I should create my own start up is rather insulting to the reply I gave, I was being *very* objective.

It wasn't directed at you, sorry.

It is just every time I read a thread on a forthcoming treatment, may it be aderans, histogen, gho etc etc

You always get someone criticising it to shit, sure, it is fair enough if they have released v poor results. But, even when they release good results, they are still criticised to SHIT.

Even before this update, you had that clown iron man, taking digs at HSC. Like if he could do any better.

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You know what - if you guys are going to criticise like this.

Why don't you all go and create your own start up and solve the problem of hairloss.

Histogen are doing well (especially with the robust growth pdf), give them time to release more information.

Constructive criticism is fair and warranted.However it was NOT the point of my comment, I provided some facts about photography that was supposed to clear up any illegitimate criticisms towards Histogen. Yes, I did say the results were disappointing (this is in reference to the recent photos provided) and it holds true because the regrowth isn't substantial enough to give GREAT thickness which is what all of us are expecting, however it is substantial enough to notice a clear visible difference. I even went on to say I would pay for a Histogen procedure regardless.

Telling me I should create my own start up is rather insulting to the reply I gave, I was being *very* objective.

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I think you boys need to be realistic.

Even if it doesn't regrow a full set of hair straight away, over time it will be tweeked and improved.

The first step for them is to get something on the market, that somewhat works.

absolutely right

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The first step for them is to get something on the market, that somewhat works.

Exactly, like Fin and Minox - and the latter is the reason why you're still here ...

[yeahyeahyeah]

Not at all!


Sometimes I find such pic releases extremely amusing.

@krewel - great work!

I think you boys need to be realistic.

Even if it doesn't regrow a full set of hair straight away, over time it will be tweeked and improved.

The first step for them is to get something on the market, that somewhat works.

[JJacobs152]

I will say though, that there definitely is noticeable improvement with Histogen although to be honest I am somewhat disappointed with the amount, I've seen better results with Minox/RU58841 regimens but if Histogen becomes available you can be sure they'll have my money. I'll take any improvement at this point (I'm lucky because I've only thinned out in the crown and lost my temples, so there are some options for me but I feel for those in higher norwood scales).

Do you have a link to back this up? I'm on the fence of purchasing the RU compound, but want to see the improvements. I know that one irish lad on the other forum had great results, but that's the only noted individual that I've seen thus far.

[534623]

You are possibly one of the most cynical posters on BTT. Even if they had release a picture with a full set of hair, you will find something to criticise.

Not at all!


Sometimes I find such pic releases extremely amusing.

@krewel - great work!