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just wen I thought I've seen all the really dumb threads then I see this one and it surely takes home the gold medal of stupidity! congrats!
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If you all want to think that baldness is the only thing on planet earth that has nothing to do with evolution, than go for it. Baldness is in a class of it's own, and has no evolutionary significance what so ever.
It's purely a cosmetic thing that just so happens to correlate with really shitty genetic diseases, weak cells (going secenent prematurely) and also coincidentally manifests in a visual appearance that makes it harder for your to reproduce when compared with non-balding (and healthier) people.Comment
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Hair Loss: A Harbinger of the Morbidities to Come!
Dilip Gude
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Sir,
Hair loss has been traditionally associated with benign prostatic hyperplasia (and clinical prostate cancer), coronary heart disease, hyperinsulinemia, insulin-resistance-associated disorders, such as obesity, hypertension, and dyslipidemia. Considerable amount of negative psychosocial effects are also linked with male pattern hairloss (MPH) such as decreased self-esteem, dissatisfaction with body image or appearance, self-consciousness, perception of aging, and often emotional stress.
MPH has been believed to confer high risk for coronary artery disease than those who are not bald. A dermatologic review noted that those developing MPH before their 30s may have a higher risk for coronary artery disease than other men. This subset of people is known to have early-onset androgenetic alopecia (AGA) with elevated dihydrotestosterone–testosteroneratios.[1] Early onset AGA is a risk factor for an early onset of severe coronary heart disease. This finding was proved in a study that showed that early AGA increased one's risk of the requirement of a coronary revascularization procedure.[2] The converse was studied in a study which concluded that women with markers of insulin resistance (higher waist and neck circumferences, abdominal obesity measured by waist-to-hip ratio, higher mean insulin concentration, and urinary albumin-to-creatinine ratio) had significantly increased risk for female AGA.[3] The female counterpart of AGA is also known to increase the prevalence of the metabolic syndrome, and warrants routine screening for the underlying clinical abnormalities. In a study, hypertension and the use of antihypertensive drugs were common among men with AGA (61% vs. 45% and 50% vs. 26%, respectively). The rates of diabetes and hyperinsulinemia (21% vs. 12% and 61% vs. 49%) were also higher among men with AGA when compared with those with normal hair status.[4]
Coronary Artery Disease (CAD) patients are known to have significantly higher scores for baldness (receding frontal hairline, a critical bald area, and total or subtotal hair loss) as well as higher risk for blood pressure and smoking habit.
Apart from MPH, a study linked thoracic hairiness and earlobe crease to CAD and showed that the three factors were about 40% more prevalent in cases (admitted for the first non-fatal myocardial infarction) when compared with controls (no CAD). Also in men under the age of 50 years, hair graying was associated with myocardial infarction.[5]
The Framingham study showed that the amount of progression of baldness was associated with coronary heart disease occurrence, coronary heart disease mortality, and all-cause mortality. Rapid hair loss may be a marker for coronary heart disease. Another study analyzed frontal balding and vertex balding and showed that the latter had a higher risk of CAD. Also vertex baldness was more strongly associated with CAD risk among men with hypertension or high cholesterol levels compared with men with no hair loss.[6]
The pattern of hair loss thus is a red-flag for clinicians to gauge the gravity of one's risk for various diseases especially CAD and metabolic syndrome and awareness of such associations may help to either prevent or better manage the associated complications.
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The important thing here is that it's RELATIVE to non-balding people.... of course everyone goes bald at some point.
What I'm saying is when you look at 30 year old bald guys vs 30 year old full-header.... I would hypothesize that 9/10 times the balder has "shitter genetics" (read: is prone to prostate cancer, heart disease, diabetes, worse sperm, etc. etc.) than the full-header.
If the above is true, you have to ask, is it just a coincidence that the person with worse genes (the 30 year old bald guy in this case) just so happens to also be less appealing to mates than the full-head?
I'm just throwing it out there. I hope it's not true but look at the evidence. It can explain things better than other theories for why we go bald... which mainly revolve around white people not getting enough vitamin D... I mean, did our butt-naked caveman ancestors really not get enough vitamin D that mother nature decided she had to thin the hair on their heads so they could get more vitamin D?Comment
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How is the evolution of MPB really relevant to curing or treating it? I mean its not who really cares, and we dont know anyways. Its just guessing and there is no point to being right
MPB exists now and thats all that really matters.
For this thread itself I actually do agree that masturbation can cause a spike in androgens and affect your hair. The big issue is how long does that spike last? If it lasts 10 minutes and goes back to normal than its completely irrelevant really. No one has ever proven how long that lasts because if it doesnt last for days than again its irrelevant in the long run. This study everyone cites on this subject does not show that and isnt that great of a study in generalComment
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I will probably get shot down for saying this but.. Since I started nofap and scalp exercises I have halted my hair loss 100% and even gotten better/fuller hair quality overall. (about 3 months in).
My own theory on the subject is: The "growing grounds", our scalp, is not getting enough fat/blood flow staying on the scalp, which then leads to the strangling of the hair follicles if you will. And DHT among other things that still make their way to the scalp sort of messes up the balance which then lead to follicle miniaturization (not enough fat/blood to feed the follicles in relation). Find out a way to make the scalp skin the same quality as you have of the sides of your head = cure.Comment
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It probably is of no importance. It's common, however, for scientists to study the evolution of genes when they are researching them. Mutations, environmental factors and such through time, like a history book, can tell us more about the genes and possibly how they behave and how to manipulate them.Comment
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My point was that the genes associated to baldness, prostate cancer and such are only bad in a bad environment. Health = genes + environement. In fact, the genes associated to baldness and health problems might gives an advantage in a good environment.
If you get hearth disease, diabetes and such don't blame your genes, blame your lifestyle.Comment
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Everyone always says this. The issue has always been what percent of which and are all diseases/conditions created equal? No one knows. MPB could easily be 95 percent genes and 5 percent environment so in that case someone could say hair health = mostly environment.
The science on percentages is pretty lack luster some say its more one or the other. Meaning no one really knowsComment
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There are some studies involving identical twins with hair loss and they show that even with the same genes, people go bald at different rates. This means that you can significantly slow down hair loss if you put yourself within in a certain environment. From what I have seen, insulin resistance is a common factor, but there are other factors such as stress. At least, they are certainly a big factor in aggressive hair loss and early onset of baldness.
Well, you might not completely stop hair loss, but you can probably significantly slow down the rate at which you lose hairs based on your environment. This might has zero value, because I am a random person from the internet, but I myself suffered from an aggressive and early onset of baldness and I managed to significantly slow down my hair loss by fighting insulin resistance and other health issues related to modern lifestyle.Comment
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Eh. I've never felt there was a correlation, in my experience. Even if there was, I'm not going to stop having sex over some DHT. I'd just pop an extra finasteride and keep F*ckinComment
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From my personal experience stress plays a HUGE roll. I had pretty much a full head of hair except for a muturing hairline. My fiancé turned out to be a slut, lost everything I ever worked for when the economy crashed(still had my hair) but soon after someone very close to me passed away and BOOM, 3-4 months later I lost 60-70% of my density. The only hair loss in my family was my cousin that had alopecia areata which grew back. Moms side don't even have maturing hairlines, full heads of hair/full density. Dads side has mature hairlines but full density.
Stress distroyed my hair!Comment
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