No, naïve would be thinking that it's even within an average persons means to consume higher quality foods over longer periods of time than multi-millionaire athletes who've spent the better part of their adult lives working on customized meal plans with trained chefs and nutritionists. Not only do these people have far more time and virtually limitless funds to aid this endeavor, it's literally part of their professional livelihoods to be in the best shape possible, and even amateur weight lifters know the importance of proper long term diet and nutrition.
Go look around the NBA or the NFL. Watch the summer Olympic Games, or male ballerinas, or professional strength and fitness coaches. Check out some of the very most accomplished people in these fields and what do you find? Bald heads throughout. I'm not saying that food consumption plays 'no role' in MPB, but theres no evidence that stricter dieting has any correlation to healthier hair or can provide preventative measures. I'm not overly concerned with the lack of an official study telling me as much..
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Additionally, I've been lurking on here and other related sites for a while, and the diet angle has been brought up numerous times. Sadly, there is always a vocal minority that is quick to say "I ate well, or so and so ate well" without ever defining "well". Before you dismiss this idea, ask yourself this, have you, or the person you're referencing, actually controlled their diet for the 6mo to 1yr time frame that many say it will take to see noticeable results? No? Then shut up.
I know of no nutritional studies that included X number of groups (with sufficient sample size) on X number of diets (with a control group as well), looking for hair loss/quality effects, especially those predisposed to MPB. None. So I think it is naive to dismiss this.Leave a comment:
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Prostaglandins have been tied to nutrition in thousands of studies. Although, most that I know about deal with nutritional composition and volume, instead of nutritional frequency. It would not surprise me in the least that nutrition plays -one- part in this very complex, and long-lived, chain of events, as there have been numerous studies looking at intermittent fasting which has a beneficial effect on a whole host of biological markers in humans (the longevity results haven't been tested in humans though, so the life-extending effects should be taken with a grain of salt until then).
Remember everyone, genes are not a predestined outcome, or (for all those wailing and gnashing their teeth) a death sentence; genes merely are the genetic programming that happens in -response- to the environment (internal and external). Recently there have been studies conducted on long-term smokers that have not gotten lung cancer to try to determine what differences exist in their genes, because the carcinogenic input is still the same. Now yes, you share 50% of your genetic code with each parent, (and smaller fractions on up the tree). However, if your environment (external and internal, which includes the nutrients you consume) is different, then your genes -could- be expressed differently. In the case of MPB it could mean progressing faster or slower.Leave a comment:
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I think you misunderstood. I'm not talking about WHAT people eat (even though what you eat most certainly affects your health too), I'm talking about the FREQUENCY of meals. I'm not sure what the baldness situation is like for the inmate population but I can't think of any group of people that eat more regularly than prisoners. Intermitten fasting means you DON'T eat regularly. So your point is invalid.
This is not true.
“The statistics indicate that the average age that a man starts to experience hair loss is declining and the number of those affected are growing,” Leonora said.
From looking at 10 000 men.
I can't link to the survey but google the quote if you want to read it.
How many people nowadays follow an intermitten fasting protocol? Not many. All the people you see around you are eating on regular basis I assume. So I don't see how you can dismiss this idea from lack of "real world evidence" when practically no one that you observe is following this eating pattern.
There are how ever two groups of people that "real world evidence" indicate have a better protection against hair loss. Hobos and rockstars. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence for this. There are many threads about this online, several people in this thread have observed the same thing, and as some one mentioned; the notion that hobos have great hair has even found it's way into popular culture now.
The one thing these two groups have in common with each other, the one thing they have in common with our hunter gatherer forefathers too, is meal skipping.Leave a comment:
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I think you misunderstood. I'm not talking about WHAT people eat (even though what you eat most certainly affects your health too), I'm talking about the FREQUENCY of meals. I'm not sure what the baldness situation is like for the inmate population but I can't think of any group of people that eat more regularly than prisoners. Intermitten fasting means you DON'T eat regularly. So your point is invalid.
This is not true.
“The statistics indicate that the average age that a man starts to experience hair loss is declining and the number of those affected are growing,” Leonora said.
From looking at 10 000 men.
Secondly, you have no id
How many people nowadays follow an intermitten fasting protocol? Not many. All the people you see around you are eating on regular basis I assume. So I don't see how you can dismiss this idea from lack of "real world evidence" when practically no one that you observe is following this eating pattern.
There are how ever two groups of people that "real world evidence" indicate have a better protection against hair loss. Hobos and rockstars. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence for this. There are many threads about this online, several people in this thread have observed the same thing, and as some one mentioned; the notion that hobos have great hair has even found it's way into popular culture now.
The one thing these two groups have in common with each other, the one thing they have in common with our hunter gatherer forefathers too, is meal skipping.Leave a comment:
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If MPB were remotely related to diet though what about all the men in prisons for life eating garbage everyday for their whole lives? Prisons have been around for a long time and the MPB patterns are the same as general population. Also diets have evolved and changed for thousand of years and MPB has been right there through it all. MPB is just as prevalent today as it was hundreds of years ago nothing has really changed. All the athletes, nutritionists, and the like are all bald like anyone else. Really hard for me to buy into diet as any kind of factor with the huge amount of real world evidence that seems to contradict that.
Androgens and genetics for lack of better understanding although future treatments are already bringing many new factors into the picture like wnt pathway, pgd2, and so on.Leave a comment:
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I find it very difficult to accept that eating patterns can make such a difference in the time span of a human's life. What we are today is very closely related to the eating habits of our ancestors for thousands of years, and at such time scales it is quite possible that diet plays an important role in the development of certain genetic traits. But over some years only? I don't think so.
In fact, I am the living counter-example of your theory. As a rule I eat less than a man of my age (46+). I remember being like that since the time of my puberty, 30 years ago more or less. I don't know why, I guess I am built like that. The consequence (I suppose of this diet pattern?) is to keep even at this age the body form and structure that I had as a young adult, around 18-20. Nothing changed since that time, shirts and trousers still fit me (I found some, forgotten in my parents' house, and I tried them). Nothing, but one: I went bald early in my life
; hair loss starting at teen age and NW7 pattern around or before 30. Still, when I wear today a hat, many people are confused and think that I am a young man around 25 because of my slender physique (also no wrinkles or saggy face either). This is what I was told at least. I wish I could keep my hair but the diet did not help to the least. Of course it did other good which I cannot ignore.
On the other hand, many overweight, even obese, people that I know around my age or older, have most of their hair. So, according to my personal anecdotal observation, it goes the other way around: fat seems to help keeping healthy hair. Of course I do not support this position, it is simply the feeling from what I see around me without keeping any precise statistics. I believe that AGA is mostly a genetic trait, perhaps related to diet but through an obscure chain of ancestors over many generations.Leave a comment:
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I was watching "Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee" with Jerry Seinfeld and Ricky Gervais the other day, and upon noticing a homeless man, the conversation was something like:
Seinfeld: "Look at this guy. Nobody can explain why the homeless have such fabulous hair."
Gervais: "I know. Scientists have been working around the clock for the last 25 years. They've spent billions of dollars but they haven't come up with anything. Like, who commissioned this scientific study?"
Homelessness is the solution to baldness. Clearly.
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Agreed. Incidentally, not too long ago we had to endure a thread from a guy who somehow determined that "clean" living would reverse baldness. It's obnoxious.I dislike threads such as these, because they give credence to the idea that MPB is anything but a genetic condition, and that we in some way bear responsibility for our hideous hairlines.Leave a comment:
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I dislike threads such as these, because they give credence to the idea that MPB is anything but a genetic condition, and that we in some way bear responsibility for our hideous hairlines.Leave a comment:
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Damn good stuff, burtandernie. I thought identical twins always share the same DNA sequence. So as hair follicles (and AR expression) develop very early in life that would mean that environmental factors would be accountable to the difference in hair loss in these pictures of the identical twins. Disregard those pictures then indeed, they don't prove that much then I guess.. Very interesting!Leave a comment:
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A set of twins like that though we dont know if they have the same androgen receptor density/layout or any info on all their hormone levels. There are lots of things that could be at play that are not environment related but genetic things out of their control that could account for those hair loss differences.
Not to mention identical twins do not have exactly the same genetic sequences. They can have different numbers of copies of a set of genes which makes them not identical. They even mention some differences are labeled "environment" simply because no one previously knew there are genetic differences even in identical twins.
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Funny correlation. I have heard many people say that homeless people have a good head of hair. Like sdsurfin mentioned alcohol is pretty hair protective in theory. I have seen studies in where free testosterone decreases as much as 15% or something if alcohol is administered . It can also induce estrogen which is seen as a very hair follicle protective compound. I also believe that caloric restriction can help with reducing "stress" on the hair follicles. However you would need to look out for telogen effluvium.
AGA is still a polygenic inheritance as confirmed by studies. Also there is a pretty big correlation between aggressive AGA sufferers (NW3+ before the age of 30) and low SHBG levels in men (insulin resistance and such). Environmental factors do and can help to some extent. The living proof is for example these two set of identical twins who both inherited AGA genes. You can still see a pretty marked difference between both sets in the severity of AGA while they are identical twins. A little less damage over time can compound too a bigger difference over a longer time frame.
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I started viewing threads a couple years ago and started commenting whenever it says I did. It makes me laugh / cringe seeing that we really have so little to look forward to that we look to homeless and rockstar lifestyles as possible solutions. Hopefully there is some secret gem hidden in this coming conference , but from the looks of it we are still far off from a real cure. Every few months we get a lineup of all the things in the pipeline and it's the same discussion but we don't really get anywhere because none of us truely know. I don't really have a point to this comment, I'm just tilted as **** about being the only male in my family to lose hair ... At my age (started around 23, 28 now)Leave a comment:
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