The rockstar/hobo diet
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Velvetmonkey, you don't know that they do. Dozens, hundreds, even thousands of people saying they "feel" hobos have great hair is not a confirmation of anything. Until some large study is done to find the rates of MPB in hobos versus the general population, there is zero evidence that they do.
And don't go looking for it either. Because just like the day after you buy a new car, you'll see that same model and color -everywhere-, when you actively have an outcome (or object) in mind, you'll elevate the weight of observations of it, and discount the observations that disprove it.Leave a comment:
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And don't go looking for it either. Because just like the day after you buy a new car, you'll see that same model and color -everywhere-, when you actively have an outcome (or object) in mind, you'll elevate the weight of observations of it, and discount the observations that disprove it.Leave a comment:
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Although I feel strongly that diet plays some role in this, I'm not about to jump to this conclusion. You have to be aware that humans are awesome at confirmation biases, and will find patterns where none exist, and discount all evidence to the contrary. So just because some, maybe even millions, believe this the hobo thing to be true, does not make it so. A large cross-sectional sample could help determine if there is actually a correlation there, but it wouldn't prove causation.
I could imagine lots of other traits that could be associated with homlessness, for example alcoholism, malnourishment, dirty clothing etc. But there is no logical reason to associate homeless people with having great hair - yet lots of people seem to do just that.Leave a comment:
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You have a hypothesis that there would be a highly specialized diet or rare food that would constitute a "hair-sparing" treatment. But there's really no evidence to support this idea. You could just as easily theorize that certain extreme high or low temperatures of water or sunlight or carbon dioxide being exposed to the scalp have a positive or negative effect.Leave a comment:
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Although I feel strongly that diet plays some role in this, I'm not about to jump to this conclusion. You have to be aware that humans are awesome at confirmation biases, and will find patterns where none exist, and discount all evidence to the contrary. So just because some, maybe even millions, believe this the hobo thing to be true, does not make it so. A large cross-sectional sample could help determine if there is actually a correlation there, but it wouldn't prove causation.Leave a comment:
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I have no idea. I think that it's either a misunderstand of what environmental factors are (and the effect to which they can have on health), or its a willful stubbornness to not accept that there might have been anything they could've done differently to change the rate or outcome (other than taking drugs, which some are exceptionally vocal about).Leave a comment:
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The fact that there is a few dozen threads about it just means that a few dozen people made the effort to create a thread about the topic.
I did a google keyword search for "homeless hair". 90 people google that phrase per month. So that's a bit more than a few dozen. And thats only the people that bothered to google it. 99 out of 100 people that make the same observation will likely just think "Wow, it seems like homeless people have unusually good hair" and then go about their day without ever googling or starting up threads about it.Leave a comment:
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There's not a single human disease for which there are no contributing environmental factors. Why do baldies get so angry when you point that out?Leave a comment:
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I'm sure we've all see the spreads that some of these athletes have to eat in order to meet the calorie requirements. I'm sorry, but the food is -not- always (or even regularly) healthy. The one common thread is that they are mostly young, when the body is quicker at repairing itself from abuse (such as a piss diet). And yes, their particular genetics may enable them to get away with this for longer in order to fuel their professional career, but it will give up from abuse eventually.
The mistake you make is assuming that the same diet required to perform at the top of their game is the same diet that would be hair-sparing. I'm highly doubtful of this. I'll give an example. Weight lifters that want to build muscle the quickest will always use weight gainers (carbs) because the glucose will refuel the glycogen stores quicker. However, that also means they will put on fat that they will have to take off before a competition. Their aim was muscle building, but the best diet for that made them (temporarily) fat. There is nothing at all in nutrition science that indicates the best diet for low inflammation, or longevity, is the same (or even similar to the) diet that would help one perform as an olympian or elite boxer, or marathoner, or whatever.
I don't think I ever implied that all athletes have the exact same diets. Using your example, it's well documented that bodybuilders consume irregularly high quantities of protein and cycle carbohydrates based on their workouts. This would be different from the diet of a swimmer or cyclist to be sure. The thing that they would all have in common is that they consist of precise amounts of healthy fats and lots of vegetables and water. Which is why I categorized them under the broad slate of "stricter" diets when compared to the average American. Clearly nutrition science wouldn't advocate that people performing very different, specialized tasks would all be eating the exact same foods in the same ratios, but the point is there's no observed demographic of people performing anything, anywhere that can link specific foods to fewer instances of hair loss. And no, I'm not counting a few dozen people claiming to see this alleged correlation between homeless people.Leave a comment:
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Same here, it could well be that some of the better responders to one or all of the big 3 do so because of the diet they consume, which promotes (or at least is neutral) to the health of their scalp and blood chemistry in general. However, if one eats a highly inflammatory diet, don't be too surprised if the big 3 aren't able to help as much when you're constantly expressing a host of inflammatory markers which the evidence is mounting plays a substantial part in the chain of events of AGA.
Life is about balance, most certainly. But don't go thinking that the weekly binge drink or junk food outing isn't having a harmful effect. It is, you just don't see the effects because they build up too slowly (and start in places you can't see) for you to consciously realize.Leave a comment:
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The mistake you make is assuming that the same diet required to perform at the top of their game is the same diet that would be hair-sparing. I'm highly doubtful of this. I'll give an example. Weight lifters that want to build muscle the quickest will always use weight gainers (carbs) because the glucose will refuel the glycogen stores quicker. However, that also means they will put on fat that they will have to take off before a competition. Their aim was muscle building, but the best diet for that made them (temporarily) fat. There is nothing at all in nutrition science that indicates the best diet for low inflammation, or longevity, is the same (or even similar to the) diet that would help one perform as an olympian or elite boxer, or marathoner, or whatever.Leave a comment:
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The problem with diets though is there is (not yet) one "true" diet. Mainly because no organization has enough money to hold a statistically large group of humans up in a hospital with controlled eating for 40 years. Most food/nutrition science/papers are based on food surveys that rely on memory (which is shit) and look backwards for the current health conditions. This is mostly useless, as it can't separate cause and effect. It might be that spinach, although otherwise considered "healthy", could be a net loss for hair. We don't know, because no one's tried to separate that variable.Leave a comment:
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Prostaglandins have been tied to nutrition in thousands of studies. Although, most that I know about deal with nutritional composition and volume, instead of nutritional frequency. It would not surprise me in the least that nutrition plays -one- part in this very complex, and long-lived, chain of events, as there have been numerous studies looking at intermittent fasting which has a beneficial effect on a whole host of biological markers in humans (the longevity results haven't been tested in humans though, so the life-extending effects should be taken with a grain of salt until then).
Remember everyone, genes are not a predestined outcome, or (for all those wailing and gnashing their teeth) a death sentence; genes merely are the genetic programming that happens in -response- to the environment (internal and external). Recently there have been studies conducted on long-term smokers that have not gotten lung cancer to try to determine what differences exist in their genes, because the carcinogenic input is still the same. Now yes, you share 50% of your genetic code with each parent, (and smaller fractions on up the tree). However, if your environment (external and internal, which includes the nutrients you consume) is different, then your genes -could- be expressed differently. In the case of MPB it could mean progressing faster or slower.
Yes I agree plenty of real world examples like NBA or whatever with same MPB as everywhere else. Also prisons have regulated diets for many decades and some men never bald much which seems odd if diet controlled it and their hair was genetically susceptible.
Yeah this isnt cutting edge. This debate has been done to death really and no one ever changes their minds. I would still use the big 3 verses eating more spinach each day if I was rapidly balding.Leave a comment:
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Even athletes have unhealthy lives. Usain Bolt is known for disregarding specific diets, most elite footballers in Europe party like crazy on the weekends
And you know what? Most of their greatness comes from their genetics. There are guys out there that follow strict diets, train with the most "effective" routines, take PEDs, and still can't ever reach the elite level because they lacked the genetics to do so
Same with baldness, if you were destined to lose your hair, it's going to happen unless you take a drastic "unnatural" approach, like using finLeave a comment:
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