Further Follicept civil conversation

[JayM]

Grimmé: "The biggest thing is that it's completely passive and that it's for very large molecules—so far, up to [more than] 22,000 daltons [for human growth hormone]. That's the biggest we've tried, but we've never tried anything we couldn't get across the patch

The patches that are on the market, like the birth control patch, estrogen patch, nicotine patch, pain patch, those are all around 250 daltons or so. And back in 2000, there was an NIH paper written about the "Rule of 500," saying that no molecule greater than 500 daltons could get across skin because the skin was just too effective a barrier.

So, we have shattered the Rule of 500 so far by about 50 times—22,500 daltons—and we don't know the upper limit yet".

I dunno about scams but this stuff doesn't mess around. No one knows if IGF-1 will work but for topical treatments it could be decent.

[BoSox]

That Devon guy didn't even bother to get a buzzcut

This will make it hard to assess improvement (IF there will be any), unless it's spectacular (which we would all like to see but let's be real - the chances for that are tiny)

There are other subjects who are bald. Devon doesn't have to get a buzzcut.

[TravisB]

That Devon guy didn't even bother to get a buzzcut

This will make it hard to assess improvement (IF there will be any), unless it's spectacular (which we would all like to see but let's be real - the chances for that are tiny)

[serenemoon]

Imagine that.

Miami, Summer of 2018
Jennifer: "Wow! Look at all those Norwood 0's partying hard over there, Alice."
Alice: "Great party. But why do they all have 'follicept' tattooed on their chests?"

hahaha I love it!!! In 12 weeks, we will know if this is going to be us!!!

[TheUltimatePoet]

Imagine that.

Miami, Summer of 2018
Jennifer: "Wow! Look at all those Norwood 0's partying hard over there, Alice."
Alice: "Great party. But why do they all have 'follicept' tattooed on their chests?"

[serenemoon]

Ultimate Poet, exactly. You are right on. If you actually do your research and figure out the history of Prometheon Pharma, and get to know Dr. Hsu's background, then you wouldn't be accusing them of being scammers.

Also, there is a chance that IGF-1 COULD cause follicle neogenesis, which in that case, I don't know how the other companies will be able to compete with them.

[TheUltimatePoet]

Boldy, by far the most knowledgable member this forum has, already laid it out from a scientific POV why this won't work: https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showth...ept#post205761

And that is why experiments are such a vital part of all sciences. (Very smart) People have wrongly predicted the outcomes of new science experiments for hundreds and hundreds of years!

[TheUltimatePoet]

I don't believe follicept is a scam, and I will make a few points as to why.

• They didn't start the original follicept thread. Actually, as far as I can tell, they registered the 'follicept' account after Swooping asked for a representative from follicept to come and answer a few questions.
  https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showth...l=1#post198618

• The company behind follicept were originally working on the insulin patch for people with diabetes, especially the delivery method. The company has been working on stuff like this since it was registered in 2011 and then suddenly, out of the blue, they decide to start a hair loss treatment scam that will maybe last a few months? It just doesn't make sense...

• As for Devon not shaving his hair. If you check the pictures of the six people that are going through the internal trials, you will see that a few of them are in their 60s and have quite severe hair loss, making it impossible to grow out hair/change lighting. If they were intending on scamming us, they sure made some terrible choices here.

Personnally, I don't think this is going to be the breakthrough treatment that will save hair follicles everywhere, but I really hope that it is!

[thejack]

Anyway I'm doing it again, discussing with you and other pro-follicepters, I've had enough of that When there are actually photo's to discuss, we'll talk more

Enjoy your day and your weekend !

Touché

[serenemoon]

If the older forum users, like Hellouser report success, THEN I'd get excited. But it's so extremely unlikely to happen. Boldy, by far the most knowledgable member this forum has, already laid it out from a scientific POV why this won't work: https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showth...ept#post205761 and again, judging by the way this company has been behaving, it's also extremely unlikely they're up to something good.

Anyway I'm doing it again, discussing with you and other pro-follicepters, I've had enough of that When there are actually photo's to discuss, we'll talk more

Enjoy your day and your weekend !

Alrighty, let's hope hellouser tries it. Hellouser, would you try it?

[Swooping]

It will do a lot more than something, trust me. Really excited for this.

Just like TRX2 right?

[Arashi]

Here is a genuine question for you Arashi. Clearly you are not going to be convinced by us that these guys are legit, just like we are not going to be convinced by you that this is a scam. Let's say the product is released. I assume you will wait for trusted forumers to try this product. Which guys, in your opinion, would have a sway in your opinion as to the fact that Follicept is legit? These guys should be people you sincerely believe can't be bought, won't lie/photoshop pictures, you respect and people you have known for a long time.

If the older forum users, like Hellouser report success, THEN I'd get excited. But it's so extremely unlikely to happen. Boldy, by far the most knowledgable member this forum has, already laid it out from a scientific POV why this won't work: https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showth...ept#post205761 and again, judging by the way this company has been behaving, it's also extremely unlikely they're up to something good.

Anyway I'm doing it again, discussing with you and other pro-follicepters, I've had enough of that When there are actually photo's to discuss, we'll talk more

Enjoy your day and your weekend !

[amadeus]

If Follicept had concerns about legalities, ethics and long term liability they would not be running a blog and they certainly would NEVER post on this very visible and powerful forum the way that they have. They provide no legal disclaimers and even if they do eventually, they would not be retroactive. The smallest of companies, especially in this sector would never post public comments in such an unofficial and off the cuff capacity. The sad thing is that the young and desperate don’t think of these very important issues and obviously neither does Devon or Follicept. If they were a serious company this would not have occurred. No legitimate company would hire a person like Devon who obviously has very little experience, to represent this brand and put their entire operation in jeopardy. These are issues than cannot be overlooked.

I have to agree that it's all very strange.

What confuses me the most is their optimism and high expectations considering they only done research on mice.

Personally I don't think they are intentionally scamming us. More plausible explanation is that they really are amateurs in hair loss business and that they reacted overly optimistic to their initial mice study.

The other less plausible explanation is that they are not telling us everything (legal reasons maybe) and that they have more solid evidence that this will work.

[serenemoon]

I think the insane thing is bickering over and over, repeating the same arguments, with people who you'll never convince in the first place cause they're so desperate that they simply HAVE to believe. I see that now, quite a waste of time. Lesson learned there.

Here is a genuine question for you Arashi. Clearly you are not going to be convinced by us that these guys are legit, just like we are not going to be convinced by you that this is a scam. Let's say the product is released. I assume you will wait for trusted forumers to try this product. Which guys, in your opinion, would have a sway in your opinion as to the fact that Follicept is legit? These guys should be people you sincerely believe can't be bought, won't lie/photoshop pictures, you respect and people you have known for a long time.

[Illusion]

Arashi the amount of energy you have invested in this is insane.

This goes for more people... I myself as well have wasted quite some mental energy in this whole thing. I think some people have very high hopes and I probably get influenced by them, whether that's unconscious or not.