Further Follicept civil conversation

[serenemoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XklcMnm5x3k

All the haters need to watch this,

[Afghanwig]

All the haters need to watch this,

Why exactly ?

[serenemoon]

Straight from Dr. Hsu...

"Steve Hsu here. I forgot to mention that during my conversation yesterday, "staythick" and I discovered that we have both struggled with autoimmune alopecia areata. We laughed for a good 10 minutes about losing our eyebrows and eyelashes even! As a physician, I say to my patients who are facing serious and often life-threatening disease, "I CAN'T imagine what you and your family and loved ones must be going through." I've never had metastatic cancer. How can I know? This time it's different. I HAVE experienced and continue to experience the psychological and emotional effects that nearly all of you have shared. I interviewed at Harvard for my residency with moth-eaten hair, wondering if I wouldn't be accepted because the interviewers thought I was dying of cancer. I didn't date until pretty late in my life because I was so self-conscious. And I am also at week 3 of Follicept, even though I don't know if I have AGA, for receding hairline and thinning on the vertex. I can fully understand what you are going through. Thanks for watching and commenting."

[Hemo]

Still zero results? How surprising .

It's been 3 weeks and half of their subjects are beyond help IMO. I don't think follicept will work but still think it's too early to definitively say so. Wish they'd trial AAPE instead. And I understand Dr. Hsu's reasoning for pulse therapy, but it doesn't seem like he's very sure about how long each "pulse" should be.

[nameless]

These growthfactors have been along for quite a while. People tried all kinds of combo's, nothing worked. Yeah you keep saying that they did it wrong, it was unstable or somebody accidentally switched their bottle or what more excuses. Fact is that this is highly unlikely to work. Not 100% impossible maybe, I'll give you that, but highly unlikely. Which means I won't trust a guy at some company alone. I'd need way more proof. That was my whole point.

Follicles are not being given these growth factors often enough...that is why growth factors are not growing a lot of hair.

In the wild naturally ADSCs nourish follicles with these growth factors often, but so far these growth factors are being injected only once a month or even less frequently. That is the problem.

When we have these growth factors injected we are trying to make up for the growth factors that were lost when our ADSC count reduced. It's basic math. For example, if you produce 2 mls of growth factors with 100 ADSCs then you will only produce 1 ml of growth factors if you lose half of your growth factors. In aga our number of ADSCs reduce and therefore the growth factors produced by ADSCs also reduces. When we inject growth factors we are trying to do manually offset that loss of growth factors. The ADSCs are excreting those growth factors more often than once a month so once a month injections of these growth factors are insufficient.

[Afghanwig]

It's been 3 weeks and half of their subjects are beyond help IMO. I don't think follicept will work but still think it's too early to definitively say so. Wish they'd trial AAPE instead. And I understand Dr. Hsu's reasoning for pulse therapy, but it doesn't seem like he's very sure about how long each "pulse" should be.

You were so positive, what changed your mind ?

[Hemo]

You were so positive, what changed your mind ?

All I ever said was "Wait and see" because you and Arashi (assuming you're different people) wouldn't shut up about them being scammers. I still think they're legit and simply jumped the gun w/ the press release and such. I even advocated that this thread be locked until conclusive results are out.

[just2hairs]

Sometimes you can just tell if a person is a con-artist or a scammer from the way they speak and carry themselves. Dr. Hsu is definitely neither one of those. He and Devon are legit. Now, will their product work or not....nobody knows at this point. But i'm grateful to have Dr Hsu on our side.

[breakbot]

This will never be a viable potential treatment. Sorry to break your dreams.

Devon honestly I'll give you one sincere tip at least. Stop with these subjects. You need subjects who are suffering from telogen effluvium (TE). Women mostly have to cope with that. In theory your product has way way more potential in relation to the TE pathology. Read "Resting no more: re-defining telogen, the maintenance stage of the hair growth cycle (2014)"



I think you are smart enough to understand why it would have at least some theoretical merit to the pathology of TE. Especially as IGF-1 stimulates the AKT pathway. Or were you guys already going to do this?

Btw Devon why would I shame you? You are at the forefront of the mind of Dr. Hsu. He clearly lacks rational thought in my opinion. Furthermore he calls himself a expert in hair follicle biology. But if you are going to compare the fuzzy rat to be similar to the pathology of AGA then he is far from a expert. Or he lacks rational thought, it's that simple. Smart in textbooks, but clearly flying in the clouds. Anyway if I were you I would start looking for people who are suffering from TE, at least that gives you some chance to prove something.

i agree.
if a growth factor works it should be only on the hair cycle of the follicle and im sure they know it.

[Afghanwig]

Sometimes you can just tell if a person is a con-artist or a scammer from the way they speak and carry themselves. Dr. Hsu is definitely neither one of those. He and Devon are legit. Now, will their product work or not....nobody knows at this point. But i'm grateful to have Dr Hsu on our side.

Yes. Scammers have a somewhat squeaky voice. Most of them have big ears and you can also spot a scammer by the weird angle in their noses. They have a certain walk, almost like they're shuffling. Luckily we see none of that in Dr Hsu.

[serenemoon]

These growthfactors have been along for quite a while. People tried all kinds of combo's, nothing worked. Yeah you keep saying that they did it wrong, it was unstable or somebody accidentally switched their bottle or what more excuses. Fact is that this is highly unlikely to work. Not 100% impossible maybe, I'll give you that, but highly unlikely. Which means I won't trust a guy at some company alone. I'd need way more proof. That was my whole point.

Histogen is a combo that has been tried. Histogen shows results, no? Maybe they are not mindblowing, but surely clinically significant and continued to grow hair..The truth is that IGF-1 IS very unstable. Truly. But I understand why you feel it is "highly unlikely." Competely get it. At least you are open to the possibility of it working somewhat. That is what matters. Are YOU open to believing StayThick's results, out of curiousity? Considering that you actually have seen the guy be active for such a long time..

[Afghanwig]

I was just reading their thread on their site, man it's Pilox all over again, no wonder NeedhairASAP is bringing it up so much in this thread ... People who think they see a difference comparing day 0 to week 3, on photo's that are really impossible to conclude anything at all on ... Sigh.

[hairisbeautiful]

Swooping, you clearly lack rational thought. Your first issue is you think you are educated on the matter, but in reality, sadly, and unfortunately you are not qualified enough to shoot down someone who probably has 2 more degrees than you. Your comments from the peanut gallery are quite entertaining. I honestly love to look through the forums and try to spot out hardos like you who need to FIO. Get a job in your field (trash man?) or try to get a masters and pursue learning about hairloss (your opinions are formulated merely on articles, forums, and publications.lol).

[Afghanwig]

(your opinions are formulated merely on articles, forums, and publications.lol).

You do realize that's how most scientists formulate their opinions ? Apart from that, swooping is posting scientific articles, all you post are insults.

[Justinian]

I posted this before but Greco's PRP formula has IGF-1 in it and in studies it has shown 10-20% regrowth. That is via injection.