Further Follicept civil conversation

[serenemoon]

Adults realize time is of the essence. If we took the time to devote this attention to each product that came out, we'd spend our lives on a forum for hair loss. What do you believe the odds are this pans out serenemoon - 1%, 5%, 50%? Are you basing this on anything other than an emotional needing? This is the flavor of the month, the thing to fill that void. What I can't figure out - "follicept" couldn't apply this to their own scalps before mentioning a word of it on a forum? They would have known in a few months if they had something. This appears as a group of individuals reading literature on the problem and guessing a solution after an ah-ha moment. Like every scam prior, something doesn't smell right. The outward appearance changes, but that feeling of things being off remains.

I understand what you are saying since we have seen things come and go, but I joined this forum before Follicept was even active, and I have not jumped on every band wagon. In fact Follicept's potential is what got me to be more active, so flavor of the month stuff does not apply to me. And the history behind is not the way you think. THey had one press release, everyone got excited, BTT started a thread and asked Devon to join. And honestly, do you really think they coming to us later on with results is going to stop people from yelling "SCAM" "HAIR TRANSPLANT!!!" at them? So all the better that this is happening real time before they have a final product I say. That way we get out real time videos, real time pictures and Arashi gets his proof of current forum screen shots in videos (smh.)

[cuprous]

Jeez louise! The guys are trying it for you, just shut up and watch. There was more positivity in the dermarolling thread.

I agree. There's really NO point in talking about this until there is any kind of development - it works, it fails, Follicept asks us for money, whatever. Until then this is just worthless jostling of opinions. IMHO follicept has acted in very good faith with the exception of the one word "effective" they used on their web page. Could well have been some marketing intern who came up with that.

[NeedHairASAP]

Yes let's create an even bigger hype for some dubious company with hold claims and unproven products!

You did the same exact thing with pilox... and all of the information you posted about it was ill-informed or outright untruths.

You characterized Yoram as the inventor/owner of the company... this is blatantly NOT TRUE. It's more likely he isn't even a full-time employee, and is just a trichologist hired as a consultant to handle the trichogram analysis during testing.

You also called Pilox "dubious", etc. when vraf posted his honest results (which weren't even remotely impressive). Why would a "Scammer company" be posting pictures with very "vanilla" results... and in an amateur picture-style with toilets in the background? Especially when we've seen how good the Pilox photography is?

The answer: Vraf was a real human. Pilox is not a scam company. And your assumptions (or whatever you want to call them) were WRONG.

Just like you did with pilox, you are calling everyone and anyone "company shills" who are OBVIOUSLY NOT SHILLS... who are just normal people posting on the message board. I don't know if you're joking, or actually think that pilox [or follicept] has some massive illuminati conspiracy to spend multiple years building up a scam so they can make $30k... does that make sense to you?


OKAY, Why am I bringing this up in a non-pilox thread?


Simply to point out that you have just as BAD a track record at spotting scams as you do a GOOD track record. People should realize that you have wrongfully bashed companies before... and they should take everything you post with a grain of salt.

[Arashi]

LMAO. I am the spammer, yet you are the one constantly posting the same negative shit over and over again.

You have at least 2x more follicept posts than I have, all posting the same shit over and over again, so yeah, you ARE the spammer.

[Helix]

IMHO follicept has acted in very good faith with the exception of the one word "effective" they used on their web page. Could well have been some marketing intern who came up with that.

Well, not really. The language they used was overconfident. The general impression was like they got it all sorted out and trials are just a formality. They should of been more careful not to raise people expectations without solid evidence.

[Arashi]

You did the same exact thing with pilox... and all of the information you posted about it was ill-informed or outright untruths.

You characterized Yoram as the inventor/owner of the company... this is blatantly NOT TRUE. It's more likely he isn't even a full-time employee, and is just a trichologist hired as a consultant to handle the trichogram analysis during testing.

You also called Pilox "dubious", etc. when vraf posted his honest results (which weren't even remotely impressive). Why would a "Scammer company" be posting pictures with very "vanilla" results... and in an amateur picture-style with toilets in the background? Especially when we've seen how good the Pilox photography is?

The answer: Vraf was a real human. Pilox is not a scam company. And your assumptions (or whatever you want to call them) were WRONG.

Just like you did with pilox, you are calling everyone and anyone "company shills" who are OBVIOUSLY NOT SHILLS... who are just normal people posting on the message board. I don't know if you're joking, or actually think that pilox [or follicept] has some massive illuminati conspiracy to spend multiple years building up a scam so they can make $30k... does that make sense to you?


OKAY, Why am I bringing this up in a non-pilox thread?


Simply to point out that you have just as BAD a track record at spotting scams as you do a GOOD track record. People should realize that you have wrongfully bashed companies before... and they should take everything you post with a grain of salt.

LOL yeah I was wrong about Pilox, it's actually a wonderful device that grows tons of hair !! The only 2 test persons who tried it, both reported failure but I'm sure that's because Pilox had accidentally sent out damaged devices and they will surely replace them with better ones. Did you buy one already btw ? You gained 30% hair already too ?

[Jagger]

Sounds like StayThick has met with Follicept and will be beginning his trial shortly. Looking forward to some external verification of Follicept's claims.

[NeedHairASAP]

Sounds like StayThick has met with Follicept and will be beginning his trial shortly. Looking forward to some external verification of Follicept's claims.

What claims?

I'm pretty sure it's easy to see what happened with follicept:

(1) they realized they MIGHT have a hair loss product

(2) they thought they'd toss together a website quick, essentially just to have in case trials worked out well. So, then they would be ready to hit the races if good results were in place.

(3) they didn't realize just how desperate bald people are, and found that their project went viral before they could do trials

(4) So, they have a website they thought nobody would see, and that backfired.


Given the above, I don't really see anything on their website as "claims" and rather see it as in the context I explained above... just getting the website ready.


This is essentially the same with Hairegen.... their site isn't together yet (missing some photos on a page or two, etc.) but the site is live. Unfortunately for them, that leaked and now it spread like wildfire... and they aren't quite ready for launch yet or done with the website yet.



The above is the most probably scenario.... THE OTHER possible scenario is:

(1) the illuminati are behind both follicept and hairegen.

(2) everyone on tbt is a potential follicept chrony/spy/shill

(3) nobody can be trusted. Ever.

(4) both comapnies are investing billions of dollars to perpetuate and build up their scams so that they can hit the market and make a cool million dollars before their operations get outed as scams and shut down.... then they sit back, and enjoy losing millions of dollars on their scam.... and....arashi was right

[Swooping]

Still zero results? How surprising .

[serenemoon]

Still zero results? How surprising .

Yeah because if we had seen results by now, you all would definitely not be accusing them of being a scam.

[Afghanwig]

Yeah because if we had seen results by now, you all would definitely not be accusing them of being a scam.

Agreed, results now would be more indicative of a scam. However I don't particular like the way it's going now neither. No results on the only patient that we can verify, Devon, yet the others think they 'see some vellus hairs'. If that's how it's going to play out, no results for Devon but magical results for all the others), then I'd definitely wouldn't trust this.

[serenemoon]

Agreed, results now would be more indicative of a scam. However I don't particular like the way it's going now neither. No results on the only patient that we can verify, Devon, yet the others think they 'see some vellus hairs'. If that's how it's going to play out, no results for Devon but magical results for all the others) then I'd definitely wouldn't trust this.

I too find it a bit silly how some people are already happy over some "vellous hairs" but It doesn't matter what the others think. I am assuming Devon will need some good terminal growth to show a difference. It is easier to see vellous on a slick bald scalp. (I am not saying there is definitely vellous, but yeah bald person will show vellous over Devon. At the end of the day we can only wait for terminals.)

[Afghanwig]

It doesn't matter what the others think

Agreed. I don't care at all about those other test candidates. It's only Devon that we can follow so he should grow results.

[serenemoon]

Agreed. I don't care at all about those other test candidates. It's only Devon that we can follow so he should grow results.

Yeah if Devon grows a good amount of hair, then it would be really hard to accuse them of being a scam. And StayThick too.

[Afghanwig]

Yeah if Devon grows a good amount of hair, then it would be really hard to accuse them of being a scam. And StayThick too.

How do you know he's not on Finasteride ? You don't. Devon growing hair would definitely be a good begin and would get me interested, but still very very far from being convinced. The science is not on their side (igf-1 proven not to work on humans in previous trials), so if it would work now, I'd need way more proof than somebody at their office growing hair .... But yes, it would be a start.