Further Follicept civil conversation

[serenemoon]

So, in the case that we don't see any effect, what date are people ok with as an endpoint and declaring it a failure? a couple of weeks? 2-3 months from now? or, like propecia do you think this needs 6-12 months?

Good question. For me AT MOST 6 months. I will probably lose hope if I don't see anything by the 4 month mark though.

[FloydButterworth]

So, in the case that we don't see any effect, what date are people ok with as an endpoint and declaring it a failure? a couple of weeks? 2-3 months from now? or, like propecia do you think this needs 6-12 months?

[Arashi]

Here you go, Arashi.

Thanks. So we now have some actual proof of a baseline, that's something. But it will be very very hard to see progress this way, unless it's like 10x better than minox .. It's going to be interesting to see though what happens.

[TheUltimatePoet]

I don't think it matters what anyone says.

All I see is a bunch of really angry people who finally have somewhere to vent out...

[jamesst11]

Bigentries,
You can see these posts haunting him for the rest of his life? Dude! There are ACTUAL scumbags in the hair loss industry. Most of us know because at one point, in one respect or another, many of us have wasted money, been taken advantage of, or even disfigured by the monsters who rule this industry. Go target them!! Devon is explaining his potential product, from a formula, synthesized in an actual, reputable lab. THE REST of the bitter nonsense brought about in these threads are made up by the forum members themselves. Why no spend your energy targeting Bosley or something and let this little lab do their work. If it fails, no one is harmed.

[serenemoon]

Here you go, Arashi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyIHizw0kcU

[youngin]

I am quite confident this will fail. There is really no proof at all it will work and it does nothing to address the undeniable fibrosis/calcification involved in MPB. Go look at the peppermint oil study and see how much better it was than minoxidil and igf if you want studies on hair growth.

[serenemoon]

Thank you! I didn't have his email address nor did I see his response that you copied. I will email him now!

Thanks for posting this.

+1. You are welcome! Very exciting to have a trusted forum member like you try this.

[bigentries]

I really hope you guys will keep your promises if this thing works.

So far, I see

Swooping will fly Devon out to the Netherlands.
Big entries will pay for a week long Carribean trip.

Anyone else want to jump in?

Let's make it interesting. What do we skeptics get? What about instant bans in 2016? We are putting money on the line, so make it interesting

Edit: I will also accept trips to the Netherlands or the Caribbean

[serenemoon]

I really hope you guys will keep your promises if this thing works.

So far, I see

Swooping will fly Devon out to the Netherlands.
Big entries will pay for a week long Carribean trip.

Anyone else want to jump in?

[Afghanwig]

if results are any good,they will do all the taking for you

Exactly that. I don't even understand what Devon is doing here at all. Just get us *credible* results! Only people who can't deliver credible results, need talking.

[efedrez]

Swooping is a very unlikely potential customer, and I haven't really mocked him. We have engaged in spirited witty banter, which I still feel is good natured for both of us. I don't think he feels mocked, and sorry if he does. I think he feels like I am the idiot and he has the moral high ground. An opinion to which he is entitled and that I am working to disprove via these trials. He has agreed that time will tell.

Devon, I'm rooting for Follicept 100%, mainly because I want to get my hair back but also because I believe in small entrepreneurs making it into a complicated business scenario.

But if I can give you a word of advice, It would be beneficial if you take a rather different approach when addressing potential customer (we all are). I admire your professionalism in from of a camera and even enjoined your jokes on your videos but keep in mind that you are not a regular forum member who can engage petty argument that might hurt your ego.

I understand you are still a very young guy and can only imagine this is being very exiting from a career perspective but keeping a more objective point of view instead of fighting back when you are offended will give you more credibility...if results are any good,they will do all the taking for you

[bigentries]

Nothing in the world gets done if you wait for 100% certainty. The most important thing to me is my conscience. I may not be able to convince you of that, but your opinion is none of my business. I have to lay my head on my pillow at night, and manipulating photos and people would not allow me to do that. I would much rather fail, lick my wounds, and move on.

Dude, sorry, but it is your business

Remember, you are working on a medical condition. Your job is to convince people. There are tons of ethics surrounding medicine.

How is Swooping not a potential customer? Do you think anyone here would turn down a cure? Hell if this thing works I'll pay you a trip to the Caribbean for a week. I would offer to build a temple for you, but I already promised that to a guy in another forum if he show results

Honestly, I hope you are 100% sure what you are doing, because if this thing doesn't works, I can see these kind of posts hunting you for the rest of your life.

[Keki]

I don't think he should care about convincing skeptics people to buy his product once and if we have real results, they will be a minority and eventually they will buy follicept few months later with other people reviews

[Afghanwig]

Swooping is a very unlikely potential customer, and I haven't really mocked him.

LOL haven't really mocked him? Even Winston called your behaviour unprofessional! And why are you saying Swooping is a very unlikely potential customer? If you could prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that your product works, do you think ANYBODY here is an 'unlikely potential customer'? Of course not! Yeah sure, if you keep going down the road you are on right now, you will have a hard time convincing skeptics and most skeptics won't buy your product. But if you just did some simple things, you could convince everybody. Yet you don't want to do that, you don't care about convincing people and you accept that skeptics won't be your customer. That's very odd the least ...