AAPE Trials - I'll be experimenting with it

[LMS]

I heard Prostemics has stopped selling to all personal users. I presume that means everyone will have to go to a clinic or physician to get AAPE.

Once again, more details would be useful...

Cause so far you're 0/1, bud.

[robodoc]

I heard Prostemics has stopped selling to all personal users. I presume that means everyone will have to go to a clinic or physician to get AAPE.

[robodoc]

It might be tough to get a doc to administer, not sure how sticky they might be since it is not currently approved vs being disapproved.
Try a dermatologist. I would guess you could find one by calling and asking. Maybe a HT doc would do it too?

[TubZy]

I live in the NJ/NYC area...any doctors available there? I would be willing to try as well

[LMS]

If anyone knows a doctor in Washington or Oregon who is doing AAPE injections please let me know because I live in this area and if I could find a doctor who would do this then I would start right away.

Dude in my opinion, just start hitting up every doctor you can. One of them has to bite eventually.

[robodoc]

I have no opinion on the success of APPE. Too early. I continue with crude injections. ADMIN PEN, forget it. It is like something made in a home garage and only works on completely bald scalp because the tip gets caught in hair and very hard to adjust the dose. Save your money, like $165.00 Worth, about $10 IMHO.

I am still using a 31g 0.3cc insulin syringe. The first time there were so many injections that all the pain receptors in the scalp were lit up. I will try some topical and oral pain meds next time. I am not sure a DermRoller would not work. I will wet my hair down with Minox and Caffeine soln and lay some APPE down then roll it. That should be intradermal.

Sorry, I don't have time for pics. My results will be the poor mans clinical trial. If my hair stops falling out and I see new growth or thickness I will pass that along. After the first injections, I have noticed little, perhaps a slight reduction in fall out. Yea, how do you measure that?

For what this is worth, there is talk from some in the industry that 6 months of treatment will work. Talk is cheap and certainly I or others will be able to verify this boastful claim.

[robodoc]

Premature?? I don't think so. I think a first experience that does not go to plan can make anyone wonder. Maybe your response was premature?

[nameless]

Dude regarding statment 1. Basing this off the small amount of clinical studies - every 3-4 weeks is enough for results. Which is why I intend on injecting every 3 weeks or so. With that said, budget permitting, once weekly injections would be very interesting, results wise.

LMS, I am definitely planning weekly injections or even twice weekly. I can afford it. Not to worry - when I start it I will definitely keep everyone informed. If I could get the injections done here where I live I would start it NOW!!!! The holdup is that I don't know of anyone in this area doing these injections on people close-by. I can't take off once or twice a week to take trips across the country. I live on the west coast. I have to wait until I am in a better position in terms of my vacation leave. I have 2 hours of annual leave saved and that is all. I figure I can start this in 4 - 6 months when I can fly to a doctor. I don't want to do the injections myself once a week or twice a week.

The thing is that like I've said in the body the stem cells excrete these growth factors to the follicles a lot more often than once a week so I KNOW that if we want the best results we have to have these injections more often than once per month.

Swooping even made a post at another hair website where he talked about how we have a very limited amount of thinning hairs that are only partially miniaturized and those can be resurrected with minimal treatment and it's easy to do, but if you want a crack at greater results you would take a more potent effort.

I believe that you guys doing the once a month treatment will see thickening of your existing hairs plus some limited regrowth so if you are only missing a little hair you guys might end up satisfied. But for the guys who want a more substantial amount of regrowth we will have to do more injections.

If anyone knows a doctor in Washington or Oregon who is doing AAPE injections please let me know because I live in this area and if I could find a doctor who would do this then I would start right away.

[nameless]

1) Once every three to four weeks, copying what they did in the studies. There aren't any stem cells in AAPE from my understanding. Just these very concentrated growth factors that were collected from these stem cells, among other things. Correct me if I'm wrong here. I have no plans of doing this once per week, way too much trauma to the head in terms of injections / blood, etc.

2) I have a special price with him since I brought AAPE to him. But he's offered it to a few patients and he's charging around $200 per treatment (he'll pay for the 6 vials)

3) Are you near manhattan? If not, it's really not worth flying out for this..

1. I know what AAPE is. And you're right, there are no stem cells in AAPE. There is just the growth factors from those stem cells. I know.

2. What kind of trauma to the head in terms of blood? Do you bleed a lot? Is it painful?

3. Keep in mind that what you are trying to do is replicate what the body used to do when you had a full head of hair. When you had a full head of hair the cells in your body used to secrete those same growth factors to your follicles frequently AND that is what gave you a full head of hair. Now you have less of those cells so less cells = less growth factors. When you get the AAPE injections you are trying to make up for the lost growth factors. If you just do the injections every month or thereabouts then you will stimulate the hairs that don't need much help to regrow - the low-hanging fruit. But the hairs that are miniaturized long term would probably need more growth factors to start growing again.

I am planning to get AAPE treatments to but I plan to do it more often. Can you please tell me how I can get in touch with your doctor?

[nofintowin]

1) Once every three to four weeks, copying what they did in the studies. There aren't any stem cells in AAPE from my understanding. Just these very concentrated growth factors that were collected from these stem cells, among other things. Correct me if I'm wrong here. I have no plans of doing this once per week, way too much trauma to the head in terms of injections / blood, etc.

2) I have a special price with him since I brought AAPE to him. But he's offered it to a few patients and he's charging around $200 per treatment (he'll pay for the 6 vials)

3) Are you near manhattan? If not, it's really not worth flying out for this..

[LMS]

nofintowin, I have 3 issues:

1. How often are you getting AAPE injections? Keep in mind that in nature the follicles are being supplied with these growth factors frequently. The adipose derived stem cells excrete growth factors and send them to the follicles frequently. So in the beginning you would likely need injections at least once per week.

2. How much does your doctor charge for each visit when you get your AAPE injections?

3. Can I also become his patient and get AAPE injections?

Dude regarding statment 1. Basing this off the small amount of clinical studies - every 3-4 weeks is enough for results. Which is why I intend on injecting every 3 weeks or so. With that said, budget permitting, once weekly injections would be very interesting, results wise.

[LMS]

LMS:

1) Not really sure about this one. The doctor administers the AAPE to me while I'm lying down, and then puts a cap on me. I don't touch my hair until the next morning. There definitely are a few bumps and what feels like pockets of liquid the next day, but nothing out of the ordinary that I wouldn't expect. Immediately post the AAPE, I have no idea about the bumps but it wouldn't be shocking

2) Again, I don't administer them, so I can't give you a %, but I can tell you that there's definitely a good amount of blood on my scalp post-injections. This is normal. Same stuff happened with PRP.

Hope this helps. You'll probably be sore for an entire day or two. Do you use the entire powder / solution combo?

Thanks for getting back to me man. And yah these bumps disappeared within a few hours max. Its normal for them to form with intradermal injections, but none the less I'm glad you seem to share the experience, along with the bleeding (as messed up as that sounds haha).

I found I had a decently bad headache after injecting (to be expected) but nothing an advil cant fix, woke up feeling pretty much fine, still no regrowth though haha.

To answer your question, I used an entire vial and dissolved it in 5ML of bacteriostatic water. I'm assuming your doc uses something similar (saline, sterile water etc) for injections? Or does he use the liquid provided? To me it looked more like for topical use (dermarolling etc).

[nameless]

nofintowin, I have 3 issues:

1. How often are you getting AAPE injections? Keep in mind that in nature the follicles are being supplied with these growth factors frequently. The adipose derived stem cells excrete growth factors and send them to the follicles frequently. So in the beginning you would likely need injections at least once per week.

2. How much does your doctor charge for each visit when you get your AAPE injections?

3. Can I also become his patient and get AAPE injections?

[nofintowin]

LMS:

1) Not really sure about this one. The doctor administers the AAPE to me while I'm lying down, and then puts a cap on me. I don't touch my hair until the next morning. There definitely are a few bumps and what feels like pockets of liquid the next day, but nothing out of the ordinary that I wouldn't expect. Immediately post the AAPE, I have no idea about the bumps but it wouldn't be shocking

2) Again, I don't administer them, so I can't give you a %, but I can tell you that there's definitely a good amount of blood on my scalp post-injections. This is normal. Same stuff happened with PRP.

Hope this helps. You'll probably be sore for an entire day or two. Do you use the entire powder / solution combo?

[LMS]

Hey nofintowin,

I just completed my first set of self administered injections of AAPE. I just have a few questions about your injections:

1) When recieving injections, do you temporarily get "pustules" or bumps at the injection site? As I experienced this and was not alarmed, considering it is a intradermal injection, none the less I am interested to know your experience.

2) Do you bleed at the injection sites? I bled in about 80% of my injection sites.