Where are the phase IIb results for Bimatoprost?

[burtandernie]

Id be most curious to just see results from any studies. Every new treatment also brings much more understanding about why MPB happens enabling future avenues of further research. Look how popular DHT became after propecia. I mean tons of stuff into AAs after that because we had proof androgens are critical to MPB

[It's2014ComeOnAlready]

do you expect them to announce the results on the 6th august then?

I'm hoping so!

Kobren said he had heard the results were really good - better than minox, and enough to take some people off propecia

"Bornthisway" said he was told by a dematologists office that claims to work closely with Allergan and that they're really close ("like this summer" he says) to releasing a hair loss treatment based on bim. Said he found it interesting that they even knew about the drug being in trials.

"BiqqieSmalls" is an Allergan shareholder - he called up investor relations and asked why haven't the results (even to shareholders) been released yet. They said because of the "complexity of bimatoprost." I'm not sure what that means, but if you read my other posts, I've tried to make sense of that answer with actual facts that possibly could explain it. Also, he asked when they'd release results and they said "in a few months." He asked back in early May, and that would make it abt 3-4 months.

In other articles I've read, the Head of R&D at Allergan, Scott Whitcup said that they recruited enough people in phase 2 so that if they saw positive results, they could immediately jump into a phase 3. The phase 2 trial began in August 2013, and the primary outcome measure (end of the study) was in September 2014, for some reason the actual end of the trial was in January 2015.

So, I think it's possible. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

[joel203]

Sorry, don't know if you saw my posts, but it's on August 6th in the morning, 8:30am I believe.

If not, I'm giving up on bim. Well, at least till January when they legally have to post results.

do you expect them to announce the results on the 6th august then?

[hellouser]

So it's been how many since they were supposed to publish results?

Nice of them to spit in the face of everyone involved with BIM. Pathetic.

[It's2014ComeOnAlready]

Does anyone know when Actavis/Allergan plans to release their 2015 Q2 report?

Sorry, don't know if you saw my posts, but it's on August 6th in the morning, 8:30am I believe.

If not, I'm giving up on bim. Well, at least till January when they legally have to post results.

[It's2014ComeOnAlready]

Ok you conviced me. Why don't you try it? You revealed allergan's plan so it doesn't matter anymore, so you have to be the first from the forum who will have his eyes colour changed, because i believe that's a strong reason they stopped the procedure.
We will see..

1. Pure bimatoprost powder is very expensive. I wouldn't be able to afford it, but let's say they revealed that the trial went well and they are carrying out a phase 3. They still have to take a year to complete it, meanwhile, labs like kane or whoever can buy pure bimatoprost powder in bulk, make the 3% solution and sell it to anyone. Don't believe me? Look how easy it is if you have the money - http://www.alibaba.com/product-detai...5.1.3QxuCv&s=p

2. Bimatoprost only darkens the iris if it is directly applied directly to the eye, or while applying latisse, some gets in your eye. You're not going to change your eye color if you're applying it to your scalp, it doesn't work that way. You can look that up if you think I'm lying. There is no evidence to support your claim.

[breakbot]

You're pretty bullheaded, and you admitted in another thread that you're not optimistic about anything and have a negative bias.

For the last time - this drug exists in the market. Anyone with enough money or determination could make it themselves if positive results were released. But, they haven't released ANY results, so we just don't know. My ideas make sense, but like I said you have an obvious negative bias and are bullheaded.

We'll see who's right soon enough.

Ok you conviced me. Why don't you try it? You revealed allergan's plan so it doesn't matter anymore, so you have to be the first from the forum who will have his eyes colour changed, because i believe that's a strong reason they stopped the procedure.
We will see..

[It's2014ComeOnAlready]

Again, it's about convenience and invasiveness. Lets wait and see.

Buddy, Kybella requires 50 injections in one sitting. I'd hardly say that's convenient or non-invasive.

[It's2014ComeOnAlready]

You are a natural talent in bs. Bimatoprost is pretty much dead that's why they will not release the results. If you like to study do your homework and inform us which companies announce failed tested drugs. Another crazy idea that came from your head is that they had great results and they want to stop people from testing it. I doubt that people outside these crazy forums would test a drug from uknown sources.
Man you should stop dreaming about it.

You're pretty bullheaded, and you admitted in another thread that you're not optimistic about anything and have a negative bias.

For the last time - this drug exists in the market. Anyone with enough money or determination could make it themselves if positive results were released. But, they haven't released ANY results, so we just don't know. My ideas make sense, but like I said you have an obvious negative bias and are bullheaded.

We'll see who's right soon enough.

[Hemo]

Dude, I don't care. Agree to disagree.

btw the cost of kybella to lipo for submental fullness is essentially the same, you ctjn look it up.

I just want to point out that my conclusions are my own, but they are based on actual facts surrounding these drugs themselves. Take the time to actually look this stuff up. Everything you've posted is complete opinion and nothing more.

Done.

Again, it's about convenience and invasiveness. Lets wait and see.

[champpy]

So let me ask. We have Bim already available to us, but the concentration they were using is too expensive to make on our own, right?

I say that if they don't tell us if it works or not by the conference call in april, we pool some money together and have a 5% concentration made and choose a trusted test subject to try it out.

That way we will have a good idea if this is even worth our time or not. Im willing to put $50 dollars down. If we can get a group to donate $25 each I think we could raise enough to get a batch made and we can test it ourselves.

Would anyone else be in for this "test", or are there all kinds of problems with my test idea?

[breakbot]

Dude, I don't care. Agree to disagree.

btw the cost of kybella to lipo for submental fullness is essentially the same, you can look it up.

I just want to point out that my conclusions are my own, but they are based on actual facts surrounding these drugs themselves. Take the time to actually look this stuff up. Everything you've posted is complete opinion and nothing more.

Done.

You are a natural talent in bs. Bimatoprost is pretty much dead that's why they will not release the results. If you like to study do your homework and inform us which companies announce failed tested drugs. Another crazy idea that came from your head is that they had great results and they want to stop people from testing it. I doubt that people outside these crazy forums would test a drug from uknown sources.
Man you should stop dreaming about it.

[It's2014ComeOnAlready]

Compare the $2400 cost to surgery, because that is what it's going up against. A less invasive and more affordable procedure is going to attract more people and can't really be downplayed (2400 really is not that much compared to other cosmetic procedures). Look at it this way - if there was an injectable hair loss treatment that was cheaper than (or even more expensive) a hair transplant and just as effective, which would you choose?

just saying "They haven't released bim results and won't tell investors about them, so results must be great. Oh, and they likely moved on to phase 3 with the same participants since the trials can't be found anywhere, and they'll announce everything on their next call. Yup, that's it!"

Even if it's very effective, which it very well might be, I think it's more up to whether or not they can protect the drug. They're not going to continue to invest in a treatment that other companies can recreate using bim. I'm not arguing whether or not it's effective since I have no clue, but you've made some lofty conclusions based on essentially nothing.

Dude, I don't care. Agree to disagree.

btw the cost of kybella to lipo for submental fullness is essentially the same, you can look it up.

I just want to point out that my conclusions are my own, but they are based on actual facts surrounding these drugs themselves. Take the time to actually look this stuff up. Everything you've posted is complete opinion and nothing more.

Done.

[Hemo]

That's complete speculation. By the way, Kybella costs about $2400 on average, yea so I'm sure the next time someone becomes overweight they will pay that much just to have their double-chin removed, and keep the fat on their stomach, thighs, face, arms etc.

Surely that's what most people would do.

Compare the $2400 cost to surgery, because that is what it's going up against. A less invasive and more affordable procedure is going to attract more people and can't really be downplayed (2400 really is not that much compared to other cosmetic procedures). Look at it this way - if there was an injectable hair loss treatment that was cheaper than (or even more expensive) a hair transplant and just as effective, which would you choose?

just saying "They haven't released bim results and won't tell investors about them, so results must be great. Oh, and they likely moved on to phase 3 with the same participants since the trials can't be found anywhere, and they'll announce everything on their next call. Yup, that's it!"

Even if it's very effective, which it very well might be, I think it's more up to whether or not they can protect the drug. They're not going to continue to invest in a treatment that other companies can recreate using bim. I'm not arguing whether or not it's effective since I have no clue, but you've made some lofty conclusions based on essentially nothing.

[It's2014ComeOnAlready]

The fact that they care more about a freaking double chin treatment (AKA don't be a fat slob. Cured!) as opposed to hairloss makes me want to light myself on fire and jump out of a building.

That's complete speculation. By the way, Kybella costs about $2400 on average, yea so I'm sure the next time someone becomes overweight they will pay that much just to have their double-chin removed, and keep the fat on their stomach, thighs, face, arms etc.

Surely that's what most people would do.