follicept - what's this?

[GSD]

I've been following this thread from the start and checking back every few days to see what progress has been made. I would like to know if there is a way to just read the responses Devon has posted rather than have to scroll through the pages of drivel that add nothing. If someone could let me know the correct way to filter that would be much appreciated. No offence intended to the many people who are also showing a genuine interest in this, as always it is a small minority who detract from a very interesting thread. Devon, best of luck when you have all the materials to start your test in the coming weeks.

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[Arashi]

b) follicept- real guys, great minds, good potential. We wait to see results. that is all.
Growth factors are definitely mediating hair loss and growth, and we will see treatments that work with these pathways, guaranteed.

Sdsurfin, I used to like your posts. I remember you had some interesting contributions in the Gardner thread, based on facts and actual research. But now it seems you've lost it and are just posting speculation like 99% of the people here. Or am I missing something ? Do you have even 1 article that shows IGF-1 increased follice count as much as Minox could ? If not, then why are you saying the above ? What happened to you ? Why the turn from facts to speculation ?

Swooping posted several scientific articles, all showing that it most likely won't work. Yet here you are, claiming otherwise, even GUARANTEEING growthfactors are the key. Why ?

Not dissing you, just genuinely interested.

[Kokles]

Guys, stop feeding the endless discussion. Do not reply to folks who do not understand, that if the tests end up in failure of the product it means only positive things for other researchers (failure is not a failure). Please just stop it.

"Road to hell is paved with good intentions" is something that some of this thread's trolls need to understand.

[Arashi]

So what if it won't work? The more ways are known which don't work, the more the scientists can work on other stuff. A failure is not a failure in this case.

Also getting people excited for a while is not a sin .. now taking money from people for something that does not work is of course unacceptable.

I've answered this before, even more than once. People say we're running in circles and we actually are. You keep asking the same questions. So if you really are interested in my answer, read the thread first. Thanks.

[thejack]

I've answered this before, even more than once. People say we're running in circles and we actually are. You keep asking the same questions. So if you really are interested in my answer, read the thread first. Thanks.

It was a rhetorical question.

[Arashi]

It was a rhetorical question.

It would be better for everyone here if we'd stay on topic and not post things like that. The admin already warned to close the topic if we'd keep on the same road as before. Nobody wants that. So please refrain from insults, harrassment and "rhetoric questions". I've asked it a million times but it seems very hard for everybody here to focus on our common goal: getting the proof we want.

[FrenchNewbie]

It would be better for everyone here if we'd stay on topic and not post things like that. The admin already warned to close the topic if we'd keep on the same road as before. Nobody wants that. So please refrain from insults, harrassment and "rhetoric questions". I've asked it a million times but it seems very hard for everybody here to focus on our common goal: getting the proof we want.

Agree with that!

[Swooping]

I concur with Arashi. Independent testing is the best way forward for the community. It's the only way that can realistically gauge if Follicept will have any merit at all.

That aside if Devon states after the first in-house trial that it has no positive effect it isn't needed obviously. However if he does think it has any merit then we should indeed go with a independent trial.

That is the proof we really need.

[Hemo]

Jesus christ do you guys have lives? Maybe if you had a hobby or two you wouldn't have to fight "scammers" all weekend?

We get it, legitimate researchers have sold fraudulent products in the past and people like Arashi are just trying to protect ignorant customers from themselves. Why not let people decide for themselves and post results/success? I don't think anyone here is going to buy before seeing results.

[Arashi]

Jesus christ do you guys have lives? Maybe if you had a hobby or two you wouldn't have to fight "scammers" all weekend?

We get it, legitimate researchers have sold fraudulent products in the past and people like Arashi are just trying to protect ignorant customers from themselves. Why not let people decide for themselves and post results/success? I don't think anyone here is going to buy before seeing results.

Please stay on topic and stop trolling, attacking and insulting or this thread WILL be closed. The admin warned to do that ! Winston doesn't make jokes, trust me.

[nameless]

I wonder how Follicept's vehicle would interact with occlusion.

I've seen first hand evidence that application of topical medicines is enhanced by doing the application shortly after a warm shower and towel drying lightly so the scalp is hydrated but dry.

And I've also seen first hand that wearing a shower cap after medicine application can result in greater absorption. I wonder how doing so would interact with Follicept's vehicle.

Off the top of my head it seems like either of these two things might increase systemic absorption but sometimes the actual effect is the exact opposite of what the supposed effect.

[joel203]

Lol this treatment will be a benchmark in months/years to a cautious approach and not get too hyped on a product

[nameless]

Lol this treatment will be a benchmark in months/years to a cautious approach and not get too hyped on a product

joel203 you are misinterpreting the events playing out before your eyes. Almost everybody is already taking a cautious approach.

[Hemo]

Please stay on topic and stop trolling, attacking and insulting or this thread WILL be closed. The admin warned to do that ! Winston doesn't make jokes, trust me.

Okay, then can we agree to just wait until Devon tests the product before asking him to send it to forum members? No sense in producing the product and sending it out if he doesn't know it works.

[Arashi]

Okay, then can we agree to just wait until Devon tests the product before asking him to send it to forum members? No sense in producing the product and sending it out if he doesn't know it works.

Why would you want that ? If it doesn't work for person A, doesn't it for person B ? Wouldn't it make much more sense to test it on 20 people instead of just one ? What's the statistical significance of just 1 test ? I'd say, do the lab tests to make sure it's not toxic etc, so it's legal to sell and then ship it out right away to 20 forum members we select. Wouldn't that be the best for everybody ? Both for us as for them ?