follicept - what's this?

[runrunrun]

This is where you miss the point entirely. Honesty is not merited in the company promising you the world on a forum. It's in the genuine clinical trials. Results from these is where you will find their honesty.

I agree with you. We desperately need the results of human trials.

[liba]

Devon, First sorry about my shitty English and the possible literal mistakes.
I really appreciate your reply. But to be honest I'm a little bit disappointed... I don't mean that it's your fault, you are awesome in doing your job and having the patience reading the posts writing earnest replies and giving us the updates. but the whole process seems to be always getting behind the schedule as we were previously informed. The trial mentioned before was meant to be starting at the beginning of the month, but by now some prerequisite things seem not ready yet... I do understand that's caused by some realistic and plausible reason, and a fortnight isn't a really long time, but I hope you understand the anxiousness that drives me insane.. Please keep us posted as always, and next time please give us some more details on the status of trial batch preparation and recruitment, if possible. Hope to hear from you!

[Kiwi]

People have talked about this being like minox without the side effects. One of the biggest side effects of all is the dreaded minox shed.

Do we have any reason to believe that this would not cause shedding?

[gainspotter]

Yes i do. Trust me I've wasted more money, on less important things in my life, so parting with $50 is no biggie. I like Devon's/follicept's honesty and willingins to share with the community. Even if this ends up going nowhere that's fine, it's nice to see somebody trying to get something to market in a reasonable time period and cost.

Guys let's try to keep the negativity, bickering and off-topic comments to a minimum.

Well if all it takes is a guy claiming a product works with no human testing and being nice and helpful for you to part with your money then scammers have it easy.

If these people really want us to donate to them then words aren't gonna cut it. I can't see the point of this guy coming on these forums and getting you all worked up for something that only works on mice at the moment. I don't believe they will sell this product in a matter of months like he first claimed and it sounds like it's already hitting speed bumps.
I just think we hairloss sufferers should be more stubborn and only donate and get excited when there are good reasons to be not just words.

[NOhairNOlife]

Of course he thinks it's wise but that just shows how foolish and unintelligent he is. No wonder people so many people scam bald guys since bald guys like him are out there screaming, "Please take my money."

No need to be rude?! You're not adding anything to the thread. And by no means am I bald. If you saw me on the street you wouldn't even think I'm losing hair.

Well if all it takes is a guy claiming a product works with no human testing and being nice and helpful for you to part with your money then scammers have it easy.

If these people really want us to donate to them then words aren't gonna cut it. I can't see the point of this guy coming on these forums and getting you all worked up for something that only works on mice at the moment. I don't believe they will sell this product in a matter of months like he first claimed and it sounds like it's already hitting speed bumps.
I just think we hairloss sufferers should be more stubborn and only donate and get excited when there are good reasons to be not just words.

Yes I guess they do, but $50 is nothing to most of us. And the reason I would dontate to this and haven't donated to anything else because there seems to be some real science behind IGF-1. So if I'm out 50$ no biggie.

Now can both of you stop cluttering this thread with useless posts.

[follicept]

liba- trust me no one is more frustrated and disappointed than me. someday I will share what we all went through to make this happen. As far as the delay, honestly I am half tempted to have everyone bombard the email of the person who is holding this up. Not ready for that yet, though. PS your English is perfect.

As for shedding effect- we don't expect to see shedding, due to the pathway and igf-1 receptor feedback loop we will create.

As for the claims- I cam on here because we had no clue that 1 press release would stir the kind of passion and conversation it did. We didn't know how committed you guys are. So we wanted to engage and be totally transparent. I see no issue being upfront, it's not riling people up but responding and sharing news. We have not and will not take money until we show results. Can't wait to have those. Delays are a result of my eager, startup nature. Not willful deception.

Thanks guys!

[NeedHairASAP]

People have talked about this being like minox without the side effects. One of the biggest side effects of all is the dreaded minox shed.

Do we have any reason to believe that this would not cause shedding?

We have no reason to think anything. Lets see how trials go. If they'll have results in the next 8 weeks, why waste time speculating?

[burtandernie]

If 50 is no big deal to you can you send me some?

[follicept]

Oh also, our logo is finalized- thanks to those who provided feedback!

[stayhopeful]

Follicept:

Thank you again for taking the time to respond. Can you please tell us if you are affiliated with the following website which is provided as a link on your website: http://www.jhgc.com.sg/products-serv...cts/index.html

To be honest, this looks like really questionable products, and I want to know how Follicept is different from this? Is it just that now you guys are applying the IGF in a different vehicle that differentiates? Thank you

EDIT:
I just read your website throughly, and it indeed seems that it is the case that your product is differentiated by the delivery vehicle, and your technology's ability to deliver large molecules deeper into the follicle. This looks very interesting wow. I really really hope it works at halting loss and some minor regrowth, without side effects. This would change the lives of millions of men instantly.

"It should work better, more safely, and for more people than minoxidil or finasteride."

This is a tremendous statement. I am about to cry just thinking about if that became a reality

[follicept]

Follicept:

Thank you again for taking the time to respond. Can you please tell us if you are affiliated with the following website which is provided as a link on your website: http://www.jhgc.com.sg/products-serv...cts/index.html

To be honest, this looks like really questionable products, and I want to know how Follicept is different from this? Is it just that now you guys are applying the IGF in a different vehicle that differentiates? Thank you

No problem. No affiliation whatsoever with them. We link them because they have some studies that support our theory and pathway (along with many other studies beyond JHGC) and have a good description of the IGF-1 pathway.

Correct, lots of people have products containing IGF-1 because the science is sound. But most of these products are not actually or effectively delivering the compound. The novelty of our product is the underlying TopiconTM technology, which delivers large molecules across the skin. This allows us to actually deliver the compound to its intended definition, and at low concentrations that greatly reduces the risk of negative side effects.

That help?

Devon

[burtandernie]

I still think it would be better to have the human results and then come here to say that. I mean I can guess at what something could do but who cares.

[stayhopeful]

No problem. No affiliation whatsoever with them. We link them because they have some studies that support our theory and pathway (along with many other studies beyond JHGC) and have a good description of the IGF-1 pathway.

Correct, lots of people have products containing IGF-1 because the science is sound. But most of these products are not actually or effectively delivering the compound. The novelty of our product is the underlying TopiconTM technology, which delivers large molecules across the skin. This allows us to actually deliver the compound to its intended definition, and at low concentrations that greatly reduces the risk of negative side effects.

That help?

Devon

Yes, Most Definitely, thank you Devon very much.

Since you are openly sharing your concept here, do you have IP protection on your TopiconTM technology?

[nameless]

MoolahLea- Dr. Hsu lived and worked in Singapore for several years, so we know where it is!

Nameless- I believe we are using human version- that's the reason we're having supply issues

Jonathan- the formulation will come pre-mixed. It would be very dangerous to mix your own treatments. However, over the long term, we could absolutely explore delivering these other drugs transdermally. That would be several years to get to market though

EXprettyboy- happy to do so! Thanks for all the time and effort you guys take.

DanWS- will do! Thanks for the encouragement

NOhairNOlife- man, I cannot tell you how much that means to me and us. It has been a struggle and question we keep facing. It would be helpful, but we cannot in good conscience take it- we need to at least prove it has a chance of working for a good amount of people. If it failed, and we accepted money, we would feel terrible. The plan is to get some early results, and open up an Indiegogo once we do that in order to raise some funds to get to market. It will basically be a presale, though you could throw more our way if so inclined. Just your offer really means a lot- but if we accept, it would just put us in the same category of people we refuse to be- taking money with empty promises.

Thanks everyone!

Devon

Well if you are not using the human version and it doesn't work then you might think that this approach won't work but it might have worked if you had used the human version. I strongly recommend using the human version or else if it fails you will always wonder if it might have worked if you had used the human version. Also, if you don't use the human version and it doesn't work then you could give up on this treatment idea, but 5 years from now someone could try the human version, it might work, and then you will kick yourself in the behind for not trying the human version 5 years earlier.

My advice: use the human version.

[NOhairNOlife]

I still think it would be better to have the human results and then come here to say that. I mean I can guess at what something could do but who cares.

Some people on this board are funny. When a company shares to much, to early they are critized. And when a company shares to little they are critized and are said to be MIA. Like what do you people want?

Devon/folicept have done a great job of trying to keep us in the loop as they receive information. They haven't asked for any money from us (eventhough I've offered). And They've been honest about their results and their timelines.