follicept - what's this?

[Arashi]

No, Nobody should leave this thread, we are all in the same boat (real members I say). Again, I'm agree with you. We should have a test of Follicept, here, for some members like Hell' or Desmond, Artista, Swooping too lol (But Swooping have to kiss the bald spot of Devon for that )

Hehe thanks, but don't worry, there simply isnt a good reason NOT to perform it. Everybody these days owns a smartphone with at least 10 megapixels and modern lense, capable of shooting good photo's (I remember gc83uk who shot great photo's a few years ago with a really crappy phone, not even close to today's standards). People like Hellouser explained others before how to correctly shoot photo's. So that's not a problem. The meds, well we should select at least a group that's not on meds, but also others CAN be on meds, would be a great test for Follicept too, to find out the interaction and if it has any positive or negative effects. We'll get to see if this product is for real, Follicept gets to convince their audience. So it's really a win-win for everybody.

[FrenchNewbie]

1 good reason... I'm now NW3 or more (i'm 30 years old). And i can't wait. Cause now it's very hard for me psychologically. And before follicept, the only solution for me, was the FUE... 12000 euros. 50/100 euros to test Follicept without side effects and a hope that it will work or 12000 euros for a random result that i can't remove from my head... it's a very good reason for me to wait Devon.

I will not use Minox... i don't want to be like Chewbaka. And i will never used Fina or Duta... you know why (i'm a man, i want to stay with my faculties). Follicept is a possible alternative. So now, you can leave this thread?

[noisette]

Hehe thanks, but don't worry, there simply isnt a good reason NOT to perform it. Everybody these days owns a smartphone with at least 10 megapixels and modern lenses, capable of shooting good photo's. People like Hellouser explained others before how to correctly shoot photo's. So that's not a problem. The meds, well we should select at least a group that's not on meds, but also others CAN be on meds, would be a great test for Follicept too, to find out the interaction and if it has any positive or negative effects. So it's really a win-win for everybody.

Yes this is a good thing for everybody and if it works, we can all, together, support Devon and his team. All over the world. Because this is a small company from the University of Florida. And Hell' makes a good thread for RU, very well explain with great pics...

[Arashi]

1 good reason... I'm now NW3 or more (i'm 30 years old). And i can't wait. Cause now it's very hard for me psychologically. And before follicept, the only solution for me, was the FUE... 12000 euros. 50/100 euros to test Follicept without side effects and a hope that it will work or 12000 euros for a random result that i can't remove from my head... it's a very good reason for me to wait Devon.

I will not you Minox... i don't want to be like Chewbaka. And i will never used Fina or Duta... you know why. Follicept is a possible alternative. So now, you can leave this thread?

I already said: no newbie accounts, they can't be trusted, so you wouldnt even be considered to be included in the test.

No newbies, no people like me or Swooping who have been really critical. Only a group of 10-20 long term, neutral forum users that EVERYBODY can trust.

[DerekM228]

Running a trial with forum users is the worst business logic. Trials are meant to be administered. They wouldn't be able to administer anything, let's be real.

For whom is it more important to learn that the product works -- Follicept or a skeptical forum user? C'mon, let them run their internal trials, determine efficacy, and then decide if they want to create an Indiegogo alongside a private first batch. Business 101.

Let them post pictures, results of the trial, etc. Then you can decide whether you want to buy it or not. If it looks good, I'm definitely buying it. You can continue to be skeptical if you'd like, but I'm all in if it looks good. I trust them.

[FrenchNewbie]

Who are you to say who can test it or not? This forum is not the only forum on this world...

Then, i can wait october. Not a problem at all. If it works, i will be patient.

[Arashi]

Who are you to say who can test it or not? This forum is not the only forum on this world...

Then, i can wait october. Not a problem at all. If it works, i will be patient.

It's just common sense man, nothing personal. Test persons we can't trust is bad for us, the potential buyers, cause we still dont know if it really works. And it's bad for follicept, cause they want to convince us. So to do the test in the most convincing way is in everybody's best interest. And yes, of course that would mean excluding people like me and Swooping and also all new accounts.

[FrenchNewbie]

You speak for you. Personnaly, if i see 20 good results on 30 photos that Dr. Hsu certify on his honnor of scientist that it's real, i will take it.

If you want to wait 2 years to see 1000 results and say: "hum, ok, i will test, but it's not perfect", it's not my case. THEY ARE NO SIDE EFFECTS and i work to pay my bottle of follicept. I RISK NOTHING. But, when i see your avatar... If you made an hair transplant, i know why you don't want to test without seeing other transplanted men test it.

[Hemo]

It's just common sense man, nothing personal. Test persons we can't trust is bad for us, the potential buyers, cause we still dont know if it really works. And it's bad for follicept, cause they want to convince us. So to do the test in the most convincing way is in everybody's best interest. And yes, of course that would mean excluding people like me and Swooping and also all new accounts.

They can't just send samples out willy-nilly because it could be bad for business. They're part of a university incubator, which means they have to follow testing protocols that are overseen by the IRB. Anyone that's done research in an academic setting knows this. I'm not positive on this, but I have a feeling Follicept's trials would fall under some sort of medical category even though they're cosmetic (likely less stringent than something like a new drug). Regardless, it doesn't make sense to send samples out if they want to monitor test subjects and observe the efficacy of the product firsthand. Plus, in the unlikely event that Follicept caused adverse side effects, Prometheon could be in a world of hurt if they just sent samples out without testing it in a more controlled way first. Even if they were legally protected, it could be a lot of bad press if their product caused issues due to reckless/uncontrolled testing. It's a matter of control and liability, which you're clearly too dense to understand.

[tom12345]

It's just common sense man, nothing personal. Test persons we can't trust is bad for us, the potential buyers, cause we still dont know if it really works. And it's bad for follicept, cause they want to convince us. So to do the test in the most convincing way is in everybody's best interest. And yes, of course that would mean excluding people like me and Swooping and also all new accounts.

I think we all understand where you're coming from and what your opinion is. You don't need to go on and on and on about it. We get it. As far as testing goes, that would be up to the company. I mean, there's no telling whether it's even a possibility, so lets not get ahead of things. If it is a possibility, I'd love to participate, but am disqualified by the self-appointed forum president . Not a big deal since results could potentially be seen within weeks on those performing the tests, as opposed to 18 months of Finasteride or lifetimes of stupid scalp-exercises or whatever.

[Arashi]

You speak for you. Personnaly, if i see 20 good results on 30 photos that Dr. Hsu certify on his honnor of scientist that it's real, i will take it.

You already sound like you don't need to be convinced anyway. If the product is out, you'll buy it. But you're indeed not like everybody. It's so damn easy to come up with fake trial results if nobody oversees. Who knows the pictures they present weren't shot in reverse order (so the supposedly final result was actually the first photo shot). Who knows they didnt take the pictures from some doctor's database ? Who knows they didnt do a trial using Minox and tell us it was actually their product ? Come on man, wake up, I know you're a newby and haven't had much experience (and thus also dont know my profile photo was a photo Dr Nigam presented as proof, while it was clearly photoshopped) and you are pretty naive. But trust me, this forum is where scammers live, we've seen tons already. So we should be very wary of every new solution presented here.

This test like I proposed is a really great way to do that. And I'll leave it to that, not going to respond more to your personal attacks, it's cluttering the thread.

[thejack]

I am willing to volunteer, I will document strictly and am sound of mind unlike some haha. If not, no worries I am happy to wait I don't care

[Arashi]

They can't just send samples out willy-nilly because it could be bad for business. They're part of a university incubator, which means they have to follow testing protocols that are overseen by the IRB.

No they're not. They already said they wanted to run a small test before doing a bigger test. So, there we go.

Plus, in the unlikely event that Follicept caused adverse side effects, Prometheon could be in a world of hurt if they just sent samples out without testing it in a more controlled way first.

No. That's why they market it as a cosmetic product. They dont have to test it ! They just need to print a clear disclaimer on the product and do a toxicity lab test, that's all.

[Hemo]

Arashi, the supplement industry is largely ignored by the FDA as well - you don't think companies lose lawsuits when their products make people very ill, or kill someone? Fine print only goes so far. Plus, their name would be ruined if things went awry.

You should be happy they're not going straight to market. Don't you think if they were a scam they'd already be selling the product? You see the amount of interest people have for the product; Follicept could make a good chunk by just selling the product now, but they're insisting on doing it the right way. You clearly have blinders on.

[Arashi]

Arashi, the supplement industry is largely ignored by the FDA as well - you don't think companies lose lawsuits when their products make people very ill, or kill someone?

Read up on cosmetic product law (I once did). All they need to do is fill out some forms, make sure their product CAN be marketed as cosmetic product (there are some restrictions but Devon already checked that he said) and then do a toxicity lab test and they can sell it. They then obeyed the law. Good luck sueing them !